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skygiants ([personal profile] skygiants) wrote2020-03-30 05:52 pm
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A couple people have now asked me what I think about the Internet Archive/Free Library drama, and since I've now seen a lot of screaming on all sides of the issue, I too am going to drop my Hot Take here!


Background, in case you somehow missed the drama:

a.) The Internet Archive, which holds a large collection of digital books scanned from in-print copies at libraries around the country and usually lets people check them out one at a time for fourteen days, has decided that for pandemic times it's going to let lots of copies be checked out one at a time for fourteen days instead of keeping people on a wait list, in an initiative they're calling the National Emergency Library

b.) The Author's Guild promptly put out a statement saying that this was more or less piracy and taking money out of the mouths of hard-working authors by making their books available for free, In These Times More Than Ever

c.) authors and librarians/archivists on Twitter have as a result spent the past few days shouting at each other about this from respective perceived moral high grounds!

I'll start out by saying that, as an archivist, my opinion generally is that the copyright laws in our country are too strong/too restrictive, and often prevent fair access and reuse to the detriment of the public good; if I were to have the power to reframe copyright law entirely, I would probably reel it back in to a relatively short term limit of 15-20 years after which the author/creator would have to deliberately make the choice to re-up copyright and officially register it, or else the thing goes into the public domain. Also, my day job as a moving image archivist often involves stretching copyright law to the limits of its ability to allow us to a.) preserve content and b.) make it at all accessible, so please take my words with as many grains of salt based on that fact as you need to.

So a thing that I haven't seen mentioned much in this case is the fact that the Author's Guild v. Internet Archive debate about digitizing old books is one that's been ongoing for some time, and as is often the case, there's more nuance than either side is presenting. The Internet Archive has, for a long time, been actively involved in the broader fight to make available quote-unquote orphan works -- things that are technically in copyright, but there's not enough information about the author or copyright owner to bring them back into print or make them available any other way, so without some kind of demi-law-breaking they're unlikely to ever become available again. For backstory on this project, it's worth reading about the Author's Guild v. HathiTrust, a battle which I think stands behind a lot of the current positioning wherein the Internet Archive is like "YES, digitization and access CATEGORICALLY GOOD!" and the Author's Guild is like "NO, digitization of in-copyright books is CATEGORICALLY BAD!"

Ideologically, I generally agree more with the Internet Archive here. I think the problem of access to orphan works and out-of-print books is one that needs to be solved, and the Author's Guild is, as always, far more interested in obstructing all solutions to that problem than in finding actual solutions. I also think the Author's Guild has a tendency to drastically scaremonger in a counter-productive attempt to lock down all access that's not Actual Sales To One Single Person (a difficult model to enforce in the digital era), and that a library making books available on a loaner basis for fourteen days, even making books available to a lot of people on a loaner basis for fourteen days, is not in fact the same thing as wholesale internet piracy. So that's why I'm annoyed at the Author's Guild.

HOWEVER. The Internet Archive also definitely has a tendency to go too far, and ignore not just laws but things that I would consider as archival ethics, when it's convenient to them (for example, in the kind of web archive sweeps that they do which often do not ask permission and sort of run roughshod over people's privacy.) Good practice for digital libraries is to a.) try not to step too hard on copyright toes to the best of your ability to judge via metadata and b.) have really good, visible, clear takedown procedures in case you are actually harming someone's livelihood and inviting a lawsuit by putting something up. The Internet Archive has in fact put takedown procedures in their FAQs, but, like, it's in a Google doc rather than part of their main searchable page, it's not super easy to find, they don't have much of a team dedicated to it so they're likely to become rapidly overwhelmed, and if they were going to do something like this there should absolutely be a button on EVERY PAGE that lets you file to take the content on that page down. Basically, it feels to me like an initiative that's not particularly well-designed and that's somewhat intended to be antagonistic and escalate the fight in ways that are not helpful to the things I think are important: securing digital access to orphan works and in-copyright-but-out-of-print-and-otherwise-inaccessible books. So that's why I'm annoyed at the Internet Archive.

And that is my hot take! I'm irritated at everybody here! Thank you for coming!
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[personal profile] hebethen 2020-03-30 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Good to hear your take. I knew only broadly about the longstanding IA/FL conflicts and hadn't heard the latest at all.
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[personal profile] sovay 2020-03-30 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And that is my hot take! I'm irritated at everybody here! Thank you for coming!

I appreciate your hot take! I am shocked that there are more than two clear-cut sides to an issue!
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[personal profile] raven 2020-03-30 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you, that was very interesting and helpful!
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[personal profile] fairestcat 2020-03-30 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! This is incredibly helpful.
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[personal profile] dorothean 2020-03-30 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This is actually the first I’ve heard about it apart from IA’s own announcement plus one of my coworkers (whom I previously found sensible) telling everyone on our non-work channel to avoid IA because it is a haven for piracy (!!!), so thank you for this context!
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[personal profile] melita66 2020-03-30 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I've borrowed one book from the Internet Archive. I had a paper copy of the book, but wasn't at home so no access and there's no ebook yet. If there had been an ebook, I would have bought it instead. In fact, I have an alert on this author so if or when she does release new ebooks, I'll know about them.

Ideologically, I also fall more towards the archive side, but agree with the author's side. The big, sweeping initiatives like this don't/can't do enough checking on the copyrights and the orphaned works. We've seen that in the field recently with both Mike Ford's and Zenna Henderson's works.

In the latter, NESFA negotiated to release Ingathering as an ebook (I'd destroyed a a 2nd paper copy to make a personal ebook version) and paper/ebook versions of her other short stories.

"Common knowledge" was that Ford's family would never allow his non-Star Trek novels and other works to be republished. It took Isaac Butler, a new convert, to dig into the issue and help get Ford's works republished (starting this year!)

It, of course, also helps I'm employed with a well-paying job so I can afford to buy just about whatever ebooks/books that I want.
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[personal profile] feklar42 2020-03-30 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Coincidentally, I did an internship at the Author's Guild in the 90s. This was obviously when the concept of mass copying, storage and distribution of media was barely more than a twinkle in a few computer geeks' eyes.

I've also been a consumer of fan scanlated manga, fansubed anime, and fansubed dramas since the 90s – and obviously fanfic and fanvids.

So, I kind of have an angel librarian on one shoulder and a media pirate on the other. I haven't really looked too closely at it, but I've always wondered if the IA really does limit itself to only scanning books it owns physical copies of and only lending that number of digitized copies. If it does, then I generally think what they're doing under normal circumstances is reasonable under copyright law. Generally, if you actually own a copy of the book, you are entitled to lend it to as many people as you want, as many times as you want, so long as you don't make money doing so. You aren't allowed to copy or transform it. I think the IA is really treading on the edge in terms of transformation, but, in the US, we have allowed that people can make backup copies of tapes and CDs, and scanning a book is not far from that.

As for the unlimited lending policy for the duration of the pandemic... at heart, I think it is a well-intentioned thing...and I'm secretly okay with it. But legally, I think it does breach copyright law and goes well beyond fair use and any other defense. There are a lot of laws and rules people would like to suspend "for the duration" but the suspension of many of these rules is not actually necessary for us to survive and some would end up making life far worse. I think suspending evictions makes sense, but the government deciding to suspend habeas corpus would be very concerning, given the risk that "the duration" might never end.

As far as the AG is concerned, I haven't been there in a long time, but I do know a lot of authors and when it comes down to it the traditional way of publishing books and trickling small percentages of the sales down the line to various entities, agents, and finally the author, is not really a viable. I know a couple of younger authors who have made the transition to all digital publishing and make a much better living than more traditional authors – even those who technically sell many more books in hard copy. I actually think the [communist] Chinese have ironically stumbled on the best way to capitalize on modern digital book sales – or maybe they should be just called sales of stories? Writing sales? While I think the idea of waiting for each chapter would drive me nuts, I do really like the community concept.

Well, except, it's going through the throes of figuring out how to behave in good faith with your fellow community members. It seems a lot worse than some of the uglier e-list fandoms wars. I wonder to what extent having so much external control of public life makes people so vicious online.
Edited 2020-03-30 23:48 (UTC)
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[personal profile] feklar42 2020-03-30 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
wow, that was a much longer post than I planned...
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[personal profile] starlady 2020-03-30 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Having gone out for pizza and beer with Brewster and some of his acolytes…they are very deliberately trying to make everything a fait accompli. And despite their reputation in some quarters, as a non-profit I'm not too impressed with their governance.

Ideologically I am very definitely with the IA on most things and with Authors Alliance rather than Authors' Guild on the parts where we disagree. But living authors should definitely have the right to profit off their actual works, including the right to work with publishers if they so choose, without IA infringing on them. (Orphan works are a separate issue.) And that is a separate discussion from the absurdities of copyright law, international rights regimes, and IP maximalism.

Anyhoo, I agree with you! And most of all I am irritated with the people on Twitter calling small-time creators idea landlords.
Edited 2020-03-30 23:55 (UTC)
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[personal profile] katherine 2020-03-30 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your take!
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[personal profile] jazzfish 2020-03-30 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What's this "two" nonsense? ALL ISSUES SHOULD ONLY HAVE ONE SIDE, WHICH IS COINCIDENTALLY THE SIDE THAT I SUPPORT.
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[personal profile] sovay 2020-03-31 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
a biannual orphan film festival

I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU SCREENED.
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[personal profile] jjhunter 2020-03-31 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Some additional context here, via a family relative who works at the IA: they switched to the National Emergency Library thing primarily for the many, many K-12 school teachers trying to figure out how to get entire school districts of hundreds to thousands of kids access to the same books simultaneously on extremely short notice. There simply wasn't anywhere near library capacity to do this through traditional systems (especially not with the kinds of ebook pricing libraries are forced to swallow), and many school systems don't have the extra budget to be ordering physical books on anywhere near the necessary scale at this point in the school year.

Throwing that emergency library solution open to the entire internet was, shall we say, perhaps indicative of that tendency you mentioned (they really are stretching copyright so hard it's squeaking), but I respect the hell out of making one aspect of an incredibly stressful and challenging switchover to distance learning for so, so many schoolteachers in often underfunded school systems relatively simple.

Honestly, there's so much media coverage of beloved indie bookstores like Powell struggling for $$$ and doing layoffs (and then subsequently surges in online ordering to help them out financially) that I don't think the Author's Guild has much to worry about re: book sales at this time. People who can afford to buy books may even be buying more of them than usual right now. People who can't afford to buy books because they've just been laid off or furloughed aren't going to suddenly find the funds to buy books even if the Author's Guild was successful in shutting the National Emergency Library down.
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[personal profile] sovay 2020-03-31 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
but here's the 2018 program ...

I have heard of like three things on that schedule! (I have seen early films of Jim Henson including Time Piece.) That looks amazing.

the Biannual Bastard Film Encounter. Like orphans, but messier!

GREATEST HITS OF THE UNINTENTIONALLY LOANED "PARTY TAPE."
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[personal profile] feklar42 2020-03-31 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
To be absolutely clear, I'm not judging and my hands are not clean. :-) (Though I do use legal venues (Viki, Crunchyroll, etc.) now that they exist). I love that a lot of the Thai and Chinese shows are available through YouTube. I'm not sure I'm happy about Netflix and Amazon getting in on it though. Ultimately it means more money to the creators, but I think it will put an end to the smaller, more pioneering groups that I like most. :(

As for IA, I'm sure the lawyers appreciate them as a client – not just because of all the billable hours, but thinking through all the ins and outs to make creative arguments (which said lawyer, presumably, does actually think are reasonable and justifiable) is a lot more interesting than most legal work. :-)

I suspect they thought by framing it in terms of helping school kids and whatnot, they would get public opinion on their side. Honestly, I think the public is largely unaware of them. This might be an attempt to change that – especially if they can get Parents to borrow school-required books for their kids from it.

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