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skygiants ([personal profile] skygiants) wrote2020-12-06 01:48 pm

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This month's book club read was Joan Slonczewski's Door Into Ocean, a 1986 feminist sci fi novel of which I had previously never heard.

This book grapples with several common topics of interest in feminist sff, including but not necessarily limited to:

- all-female society! what's THAT like
- human violence: why are we like this. why are we so fucked
- subcategory: resisting human violence: is there a viable alternative besides 'more violence' or are we all just equally fucked
- hey did you notice that capitalism and colonialism kill planets or

... and is actually significantly more nuanced and messy on all these points than I expected from the premise, which is "humans fuck up a neighboring planet of nonviolent lesbian fish aliens."

The standard-issue humans and the lesbian fish aliens are actually both far-future descendants of a human race that colonized a billion planets long ago, most of which are now destroyed, and most of the remainder of which are (with the exception of the lesbian fish alien planet) monitored by a far-distant patriarchal figure who keeps watch on all the remaining planets and occasionally destroys them if they get too technologically advanced. This is all largely irrelevant to the plot except inasmuch as distant patriarchal pressures are acting on everyone throughout the book.

At the start of the book, the humans' attempts to do capitalism with the lesbian fish aliens over the past few decades have been going steadily south; things escalate from there, with two humans ending up in the middle of the conflict. The first is a noblewoman with a deep affection for lesbian fish alien society who's been working for years to promote equitable trade, but whose careful balancing act between the two cultures is becoming increasingly unstable; the second is a lower-class teenage boy who ends up doing a sort of summer internship in lesbian fish alien society as an intercultural experiment on the part of the lesbian fish alien who's most invested in trying to figure out a way to bridge the cultural gap.

There are two things that make the book really interesting to me. The first is just the specificity of lesbian fish alien culture: it's not an easy utopia, there's a lot of really interesting cultural and linguistic (!) worldbuilding that goes into the makeup of it, which feels fully realized and well thought through. But the other thing that's most interesting to me about the book, I think, is that it's also really specific about the ways that the lesbian fish aliens attempt to resist the violent colonization of their neighbor planet, and the arguments about whether to resort to violence themselves, and the ways that their tactics both escalate and deescalate the response. As a result, the resolution doesn't feel like a parable, or like it's proffering an answer to any of the questions the book is posing; the outcome is the result of a thousand small factors, any of which could have played out differently in slightly different circumstances.

(I did find the beginning fairly difficult to settle into but I suspect this is in large part because the last so-called feminist anticolonialist anticapitalist novel about humanoid fish people I read was Sheri S. Tepper's Fish Tails and it took a while for my shoulders to relax from being up around my ears.)
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[personal profile] starlady 2020-12-07 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I read that Fish Tails entry and WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ.

Ahem. I love Slonczewski--she was a GOH at Wiscon some years ago and is just a really intelligent, kind, unassuming person. I haven't actually read this one, but I have read and would definitely recommend Still Forms on Foxfield, one of exactly four Quakers in Space books I know of, and Brain Plague, which is still one of the most interesting depictions of the creative process I've come across.
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[personal profile] schulman 2020-12-07 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
+1 for Brain Plague, which I read with no prior context and really enjoyed.
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[personal profile] starlady 2020-12-09 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
I actually wrote up both Still Forms on Foxfield and Brain Plague back in the day, now that I look. Still Forms on Foxfield is my favorite of the two Quakers in Space books I've read; I still have Pennterra and The Wall Around Eden on my TBR pile.
Edited 2020-12-09 04:41 (UTC)
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-09 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Pennterra is strikingly similar to Still Forms on Foxfield and not quite as successful. I still haven't gotten to The Wall Around Eden, I'm a little ashamed to say.

Have you read Dazzle of Day?
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[personal profile] starlady 2020-12-09 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I have! I liked it a lot, though I somehow had gotten the wrong notion about the basic setup (I thought there were aliens). I kind of prefer Foxfield in some ways, but Dazzle is a very clear-eyed look at what living in an isolated community is like and it is also deeply Quaker in a different way than Foxfield.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2020-12-09 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I should probably reread Foxfield.