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skygiants ([personal profile] skygiants) wrote2021-05-11 06:47 am
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We've been watching the kdrama Mr. Queen, the premise of which is "fuckboy chef transmigrates into the body of historical Queen Cheorin", in large part (at least for me) out of a sense of intellectual fascination to see just how the showrunners were going to attempt to contort the premise to make it Technically Arguably Not Queer.

As it turns out ... well, I mean, I can't tell if they actually earnestly tried or if they were winking the whole time, but either way it was extremely funny to watch the show constantly walk the line to assure the producers it was straight whatever they did in a way that actually meant it was gay whatever they did. If a queen attempts to invent sexting with the royal concubines but instead enters into a passionate romantic correspondence with the king by mistake, is it straight? If a queen bangs the king by accident while attempting to drunkenly seduce a lady-in-waiting, then realizes that unfortunately it's the best night of sex this fuckboy has ever had, is that still straight?? Fellas, I don't know, but I do know it means the show feels itelf perfectly free to combine a lot of lesbian visuals (as our hero consistently and shamelessly attempts to hit on the other ladies of the inner court) with a lot of old-school nineties-fanfic-style bi panic (as our hero struggles not to fall in love with the king and, inevitably, fails.)

It is also a very funny show in general -- I mean you won't be shocked to hear that there is no understanding of the nuances of gender identity which means that it absolutely hits the dysphoria-for-humor beat a few times without in any way being aware of what it's doing, so caveat emptor (& I'm happy to give spoilers in this regard). But the majority of the comedy does primarily derive from the fact that "everyone expects the queen to act like a gently-bred noblewoman in a palace intrigue drama whose main priority is supporting her clan in maintaining the status quo against the revolutionary reforms of the king, and as a result everyone is consistently stymied and bewildered by the fact that the queen absolutely refuses to act like anything other than a fuckboy chef whose main priority is reinventing the perfect ramen from first principles" is simply a very screwball premise!

Also, big kudos to the actress playing Mr. Queen, who does an incredible job capturing the spirit of That Guy. This promo image is actually a big part of the reason I put this drama on the list:



One simply likes to see an actress in gorgeous historical hanbok project "how you doing?" for all she's worth.


Aside from the king and queen, other main cast members include:



- second male lead, the queen's faithfully pining but politically villainous cousin; has no real personality except being obsessed with the queen and as a result we referred to him only as "cousinfucker"



- second female lead, the king's first concubine; starts to dips towards the middle of the show into Defined By Jealousy territory but pulls it out again before the end for an overall solid and sympathetic arc




- the two evil rival Queen Dowagers, whom Mr. Queen valiantly attempts to teach the concept of 'doing brunch'




- the palace chef, whose life is nothing but frustration since Mr. Queen arrived with fancy future food ideas and turned the palace kitchen into a constant episode of Top Chef



Hong Yeon, the queen's kindest and most loyal palace servant, blithely oblivious to the fact that her queen is constantly looking on her with eyes that say 'you're extremely hot and HR lawsuits haven't been invented yet.'



- Mr. Queen's other cousin, the sweetest and most clueless soul in the court. head EMPTY. heart RIGHTEOUS



- The King's best friend, who is set to spy on the aforementioned empty-head cousin only to find he cannot help but fall for the mark, in the second most important B-plot of the show (to me)





- Court Lady Choi, the queen's extremely proper and incredibly long-suffering right-hand woman, whose discovery of friendship, affection, personal fulfillment, and true love in unexpected places is the the first most important B-plot of the show and in fact the A-plot of my heart

Given the givens, are you curious about how all this ends? WE WERE TOO. Once again, the show attempts to have its cake and eat it too: the king and Mr. Queen are now fully in love! Mr. Queen is perfectly reconciled to living happily ever after with the king in the past! But, at the climactic moment, when they're on the verge of storming the palace together and defeating the bad guys, Mr. Queen has a near-death experience and gets pitched forward back into his own body, where he races to find out the fate of the man he loved and learns that as a result of his actions history was changed and Korea has been a constitutional monarchy since the 1850s. What about all the other intervening years of history? Do NOT worry about it. Meanwhile, in the past, the king settles down with the real queen, whose buried spirit was dormant in her body while it was possessed by our protagonist all along, but nonetheless has a nagging feeling like he's lost something ....

As usual, this has the simultaneous effect of being like "no worries! look, it's straight now!" while kind of making it gayer than ever? Now admittedly they don't have a glimpse of the reincarnation of the king appear across the street in the present day, as would be standard in a het transmigration drama with this sort of ending, but that's only because they're cowards.
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[personal profile] shadaras 2021-05-11 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
The Gender Thing is the reason why I've been like "...I do not know if I could ever watch this", because I have winced my way through enough cnovel arcs of "dude in a woman's body" to not really... trust it... (there are some that are fine and many that are irritating and very occasionally I've found some enjoyable!) Admittedly a drama that needs to follow censorship demands can't nearly as much "oh no do I have/not have a dick?" stuff as cnovels, but that's balanced by how I usually find it a lot harder to deal with potentially-squicky stuff in visual media than in written media.

I am, however, definitely impressed by your description of how they're toeing the It's Not Queer line!

I suspect I would love to watch the supercut of this that's Historical Top Chef Moments, because that sounds genuinely hilarious.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2021-05-11 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
That promo image of fuckboy mr queen is INCREDIBLE and I am so glad to have it in my life, ditto the knowledge that this entire show exists.
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[personal profile] genarti 2021-05-11 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The actress brings that level of fuckboy energy to SO MANY SCENES, it's honestly incredible! Especially when she plays the real/original queen in flashbacks and her entire demeanor is just totally different. This is definitely a show that 100% commits to the screwball, and wouldn't have been half as charming with a lesser cast.
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[personal profile] sophia_sol 2021-05-11 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
oh AMAZING, major props to the actress! What a fun part that must have been for her!
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[personal profile] graycardinal 2021-05-11 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)

as a result of his actions history was changed and Korea has been a constitutional monarchy since the 1850s.

I'm not worried, but I am fascinated; that sounds like a universe in which 20th/21st century southeast Asia would look really, really different in interesting ways, with serious ripple effects all over the planet. Even without having seen any of the actual kdrama, I am horribly tempted to find an exchange in which to request worldbuilding fanfic for it exploring just this aspect of the conclusion.

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[personal profile] nineveh_uk 2021-05-11 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Carefully not reading comments as only on ep 17 and while I know the end is divisive to see the least, I'm going to let it hit me.

It is SUCH FUN, I love it. The actress playing Kim So-Yong/Bong is terrific in her ability to convey the different characters and her "That Guy" is perfection. I just love the way you can see the man beneath the skin who crowds women against walls, leans sexily (he thinks) in doorframes, manspreads, and thinks that if he's with a woman on a sofa he should take up 3/4 of it and she be crammed in 8" between him and the arm.

I love the Royal Chef and Court Lady Choi, too.

I feel that the creative team must have been winking all the time, the whole thing would have surely fallen flat if they hadn't been conscious of what they were doing.
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2021-05-11 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect this would end up hiting my embarrassment squick, but I love hearing how queer it is!
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[personal profile] newredshoes 2021-05-11 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Is.......... is this the prequel to The King: Eternal Monarch that we didn't know we needed
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[personal profile] sovay 2021-05-11 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
This promo image is actually a big part of the reason I put this drama on the list

No, that's fair, it's beautiful.

The king's reincarnation should have walked into the chef's modern-day restaurant and ordered ramen, obviously. (Does Mr. Queen succeed in reinventing the perfect ramen from nineteenth-century first principles?)
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2021-05-11 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay but does he manage to resurrect ramen from first principles?
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[personal profile] lirazel 2021-05-11 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I...

Okay!

What's hilarious about this is that I've seen all the gifsets and so I knew it was a time travel drama, but I had NO IDEA it was a male chef in the queen's body! None! I was totally unaware of the queerness! And now I am super intrigued!

I don't know about that ending, though...did you feel like it was emotionally satisfying in other regards?
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[personal profile] aella_irene 2021-05-11 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a strong contender for my household's Second Kdrama Ever (Kdrama 1 was Hotel del Luna, which I have since recommended to my father)
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[personal profile] issenllo 2021-05-11 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Court Lady Choi is my hero of the entire show.
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[personal profile] qian 2021-05-11 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
OK, that image of that actress projecting fuckboy is an extremely strong temptation to watch this. I couldn't stop myself from reading the ending spoilers but I guess at least I'm prepared now!
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[personal profile] marginaliana 2021-05-11 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
That promo image really sells it.
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-05-11 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
1. the queen absolutely refuses to act like anything other than a fuckboy chef whose main priority is reinventing the perfect ramen from first principles

I approve of those priorities.

2. Korea has been a constitutional monarchy since the 1850s

...does that mean they erased North Korea?
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-05-11 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2021-05-11 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, that actress totally nails Being That Guy in the still. This looks cringe-worthily awesome.
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[personal profile] elsane 2021-05-11 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
this sounds AMAZING in a way where I can't tell whether it's a fascinating trainwreck or a joy or something in between but my curiosity is thoroughly piqued!
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[personal profile] coffeeandink 2021-05-11 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)

The show is, in fact, based on exactly such a cnovel, or, to be more precise, on a cdrama that was based on such a cnovel.

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[personal profile] dhampyresa 2021-05-12 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I would appreciate dysphoria spoilers, please.

I would also like to know if Brunch was ever successful achieved.
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[personal profile] allchildren 2021-05-13 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
wow! ... wow! wow! wo-ow!!!
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[personal profile] qian 2021-05-13 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't actually clocked that about the king as I was too busy looking at the actress! It sounds really great. Will check it out as and when my brain releases me from CLOY.
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-05-13 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, what a relief. I was worried there.
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[personal profile] lirazel 2021-05-13 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh good! I've gotten to the point where I don't watch kdramas till they're done airing because I'm so scared of terrible endings. (I broke that rule for It's Okay to Not Be Okay, though.) I just want a halfway emotionally satisfying end, okay?
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[personal profile] whimsyful 2021-05-13 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The cdrama this is a remake of (Go Princess Go, which is apparently even wilder) actually managed to successfully sneak the gay reincarnation into one of its endings, so I'm extra sad the kdrama didn't go for it. I'm really glad Shin Hye-sun finally broke out because of this--she's been excellent in everything I've seen her in, and she looks like she's having a blast here.
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[personal profile] genarti 2021-05-16 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect you in particular will love this show, so if you do watch it I will be excited to hear any thoughts you have! :D
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[personal profile] qian 2021-05-16 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
I will post any such thoughts!!
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[personal profile] lokifan 2021-05-21 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
SERIOUSLY, i'm so intrigued