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skygiants ([personal profile] skygiants) wrote2021-05-30 09:15 am

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Back in early 2020, I happened to view a clip of someone talking about Lytton Strachey's Eminent Victorians in which they said it was funny, so I got it out of the library.

Then the rest of 2020 happened and for a while I largely lost the ability to read anything that required more than surface levels of attention, so Eminent Victorians sat on my bedside table for about a year before I finally decided I wanted to try getting something else out of the library and so I had probably better give it another try.

It turns out -- surprise! -- Eminent Victorians is very funny! This is a set of novella-length biographies of four leading Victorians who were apparently extremely well-known in 1918, when the book was published; Florence Nightingale is the only one of them who remains in the popular consciousness today. I could not tell you whether that has anything to do with the fact that Lytton Strachey thought she was very mean and hot and competent, as opposed to incredibly embarrassing and a general bad influence on society overall, which is his primary assessment of most of the others.

Cardinal Henry Edward Manning: Manning was an eminent Church of England deacon who eventually made a high-profile conversion to Catholicism and became an even more eminent Archbishop. This section is quite long and probably the most dense, and intensely focused on Victorian religious politics -- I had always thought of the Victorian era as one in which the Anglican church was more or less settled and stodgy compared with the tumults of previous bits of history, but Strachey is very witty about the drawn-out agonies of serious religious thinkers attempting once again to grapple with the fact that their version of Protestantism had its origins as Catholicism in a hat that said "HENRY VIII CAN GET DIVORCED NOW" -- and ends with a focus on Cardinal Manning's one-sided religious work rivalry with John Henry Newman, whom Strachey clearly likes quite a bit more, and presents as a naive but sincere figure in contrast to Manning's ambition.

Florence Nightingale: the popular conception of Florence Nightingale appears to have been much the same then as it is now, "kindly nursing saint," and what Strachey wants you to understand is that Nightingale was neither kindly nor a saint, but in fact much more impactful and effective and also much dreamier than previously supposed:

she struck the casual observer simply as the pattern of a perfect lady; but the keener eye perceived something more than that -- the serenity of high deliberation in the scope of the capacious brow, the sign of power in the dominating curve of the thin nose, and the traces of a harsh and dangerous temper -- something peevish, something mocking, and yet something precise -- i the small and delicate mouth

And here's one about Sidney Herbert, whom Strachey more or less thinks that Florence Nightingale worked to death in her relentless mission to overhaul modern medicine and that this was very sexy of her:

Ah! Why had he ever known Miss Nightingale? If Lord Panmure was a bison, Sidney Herbert, no doubt, was a stag—a comely, gallant creature springing through the forest; but the forest is a dangerous place. One has the image of those wide eyes fascinated suddenly by something feline, something strong; there is a pause; and then the tigress has her claws in the quivering haunches; and then—!

One more, my actual favorite quote:

Yet her conception of God was certainly not orthodox. She felt towards Him as she might have felt towards a glorified sanitary engineer; and in some of her speculations she seems hardly to distinguish between the Deity and the Drains. As one turns over these singular pages, one has the impression that Miss Nightingale has got the Almighty too into her clutches, and that, if He is not careful, she will kill Him with overwork.

This is not as overtly sexy to the others, but it is sexy to me ... go ahead, Florence! Kill God with overwork!! Do it!!

Dr. Thomas Arnold: Dr. Arnold was headmaster of a public school and instituted a lot of quote-unquote reforms that served as the pattern for other public schools throughout the Victorian era, such as emphasizing sports, diminishing the sciences in favor of Christian moral philosophy, and setting up the prefect system in which the oldest boys had more or less absolute power over all the younger ones. This is the shortest section since Dr. Arnold had by far the most boring personal life of the lot, and Strachey is mostly using it as a way to explain how bad all of his ideas were for education, which they were.

General Charles George Gordon: ending with a bang, General Gordon was a British army officer who died very dramatically trying to hold Khartoum in Sudan during the Mahdist War; this is particularly notable because he was sent to Sudan to do the exact opposite and evacuate all British forces from the area, so his fatal last stand was preceded by several months of the entire British government screaming at him to please not to do a fatal last stand. This whole section has a larger-than-life Shakespearian-tragedy fascination to it, and Strachey also clearly thinks Gordon was a bit sexy, in an obsessive and terrible, Ahab-ish way -- a bad idea for himself and everyone around him, but also a real life human who in real life said things like "When God was portioning out fear to all the people in the world, at last it came to my turn, and there was no fear left to give me. Go, tell all the people in Khartoum that Gordon fears nothing, for God has created him without fear."

Now, Gordon spent his entire career killing people in unjustifiable Imperialist wars, and in the end his involvement in the Sudan situation almost certainly made everything worse and caused more suffering than if he'd never been. But I'll say this for him: he does seem to have genuinely been motivated by a desire to protect the people of Khartoum from the consequences of British greed and apathy, and one gets at least a glimmer of awareness of the fact that all the foreign policy in which he'd spent his life participating was deeply fucked up:

"What a contradiction is life! I hate Her Majesty's Government for their leaving the Sudan after having caused all its troubles; yet I believe our Lord rules heaven and earth, so I ought to hate Him, which I (sincerely) do not."

Anyway here is one of my other favorite quotes from this section, Strachey's description of Gordon sending a stream of incomprehensible despairiing telegrams to Sir Evelyn Baring, his sort-of-supervisor in the Sudan situation and the person who probably most emphatically did not want him there:

There upon the table, the whole soul of Gordon lay before him -- in its incoherence, its eccentricity, its impulsiveness, its romance; the jokes, the slang, the appeals to the prophet Isaiah, the whirl of contradictory policies -- Sir Evelyn Baring did not know which exasperated him most. He would not consider, to what degree, the man was a maniac; no he would not. A subacid smile was the only comment he allowed himself.

Would genuinely love to read Strachey's shelved RPF drawerfic, Evelyn Baring/Gordon Graham, enemies to lovers, 75K.

Anyway, the overall impact of the book, as intended, is a decisive evisceration of Victorian society, its petty politics and complacency and hypocrisy; the Nightingale and Gordon sections I think are especially impactful because they focus on people who are at least aware of the human cost of it, and their self-destructive batterings against their respective bureaucratic institutions allow Strachey a chance to express his own deep frustrations with the whole edifice of it through their words and actions, and not just his own satirical remarks.
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[personal profile] vass 2021-05-30 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Lytton Strachey thought a woman was sexy? That is not a thing my vague impression of Strachey as a person thought he could do!

2. Gordon... wait, that Gordon of Khartoum? He... had issues.
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[personal profile] pseudo_tsuga 2021-05-30 03:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I love this description of Florence Nightengale! She was also interested in data presentation and an an early visionary of eye-pleasing graphs.
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[personal profile] legionseagle 2021-05-30 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
She kept a pet owl which died while the Gaskells were looking after it for her when she was away on holiday.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2021-05-30 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Florence Nightingale is the only one of them who remains in the popular consciousness today.

Gordon is probably relatively well known at least in certain circles - helps to have been played by Charlton Heston in the film! - though nowhere near the degree of Florence Nightingale.

I did manage to place the other two without looking them up, but it was real delving in the back of the brain stuff (and with Manning it no doubt helps to be Catholic, though Newman has the bigger legacy).
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2021-05-30 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Given enough femdom vibes, even dear Lytton could manage a pash!
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[personal profile] chestnut_pod 2021-05-30 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Gosh, I think I'll have to read this whole thing too -- I once read the Manning piece independently for purposes of studying Christian conversion takes, but the rest seems too good to pass up.

Speaking of Strachey's dresser-drawer RPF, I have to guess you've read [archiveofourown.org profile] breathedout's "The Obvious and Proper Sense?" But if you haven't, may I recommend it vociferously for being the most frothy absurdist delightful Lytton Strachey/John Maynard Keynes erotic fic on the net?
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[personal profile] legionseagle 2021-05-30 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
The Sudan campaign is the background to AE Mason's The Four Feathers.
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[personal profile] sovay 2021-05-30 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"I hate Her Majesty's Government for their leaving the Sudan after having caused all its troubles; yet I believe our Lord rules heaven and earth, so I ought to hate Him, which I (sincerely) do not."

Clearly Gordon did not spend enough time talking to Florence Nightingale.

(I am familiar with him primarily as the inciting event of A. E. W. Mason's The Four Feathers (1902), which I have read, although I have many more feelings about the 1939 film.)
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[personal profile] kore 2021-05-30 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
He proposed to Virginia Woolf! Fortunately five minutes later they both realized it was a terrible mistake.

He and Dora Carrington also had an epic self-destructive-for-her "if only you were a boy" thing where he pushed her to marry and made out with her boyfriends/husbands, while she lived with him and kept house. Even after she dumped one husband, Strachey called his new squeeze (Frances Partridge) in and was like, You do understand Ralph and I will still be close won't you? &c &c. (I am very fond of Carrington and don't much like Lytton.)

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[personal profile] kore 2021-05-30 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I knew about Dr Arnold because he was Matthew Arnold's father. Charlotte Bronte met him (I can make anything about the Brontes, ask me how). I don't think Arnold actually really emphasized sport at Rugby -- that was later with Tom Brown's School Days, the same way This Side of Paradise popularized a certain view of Princeton. And of course Arnold fils went on to emphasize The Best of What Has Been Thought and Said, altho I don't remember Strachey going after that idea.

I remember Manning SUPER vaguely because....because....I had to look it up. In one Viclit class we read about the Oxford Movement, and Tractarianism (Elizabeth Gaskell called Charlotte Bronte's husband "a Puseyite and very stiff"). But I associate the movement more with Newman, so idk.
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[personal profile] kore 2021-05-30 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Strachey is very very funny! One of my favourite Bloomsbury anecdotes is when Bertrand Russell was reading the book in prison and supposedly laughed so loudly the warder chastised him that nobody was supposed to enjoy himself in prison that much.

Eminent Victorians led on to Queen Victoria and both made him rich and famous -- EV is fascinating as a post-WWI book, because he's deliberately blowing up so much of the English hierarchy -- the Church/religious morality (Manning), the war effort and the military (Nightingale, Gordon) and even the public school system (Arnold). And it's one of the first great British works seriously influenced by Freud IIRC -- I don't think his brother James had gone to Vienna or even begun translating Freud when the book was published, but Strachey's use of emotions and unconscious drives to explain actions of public figures is def post-Freudian. But there's love in it too, not just revenge and censure. I think he def influenced Virginia Woolf's view of the Victorian past, of which her parents were pillars (Julia Woolf, her mother, absolutely wore herself out ministering to the poor and sick). It's one of those books where it feels impossible to know what the current audience or the generation before him made of it, it's so influenced our approach to biography and even history in general.

If you ever want more funny Strachey -- his letters, published in one volume I think, are very funny, and even more unbound than his public books.
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[personal profile] cyphomandra 2021-05-30 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Thomas Arnold from Tom Brown’s School Days, where he is the wise kindly super Christian headmaster who when he sees Tom heading towards the bad gives Tom a frail blond waif who likes poetry to look after, thus Making Men of both of them (there’s also an extremely evangelising epilogue where Tom finds out Arnold’s died).

I am now strangely drawn to Florence Nightingale :D
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2021-05-30 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Also Kipling's Fuzzy-Wuzzy, and Newbolt's Vitai Lamparda, which both deal with the Battle of Abu Klea.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-05-31 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds delightful in a *indrawn breath* "Oh no s/he DIDN'T" kind of way. Like, the whole thing with Arnold coming up with the prefect system. What was he thinking?

I also now have the image of General Gordon staring into the sunset and/or possibly posing dramatically on a cliff, saying, "I can't believe I'm going to do a fatal last stand." Everyone else is all "You don't HAVE to" and he's all, "Oh, I'm gonna."
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[personal profile] antisoppist 2021-05-31 08:34 am (UTC)(link)
I read the whole of the Holroyd biography when I was trying to work out if unrequited loyal pining for my gay best friend was sensible. It did persuade me that it wasn't but somehow I managed to not get the idea that Eminent Victorians was funny. I'd assumed he admired them and it was some sort of harking back hagiography.
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[personal profile] vass 2021-05-31 08:44 am (UTC)(link)
I saw the movie. It was the first M15-rated film I ever saw in the cinema, when I'd just turned 15. (Not because I knew anything about either of them, but because I had a crush on Emma Thompson.) I don't remember very much about it, except that yeah, not a healthy relationship for Carrington.
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[personal profile] melita66 2021-06-01 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure I know of Gordon via the Amelia Peabody series (where he's referenced multiple times as the "Gallant Gordon."
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[personal profile] lirazel 2021-06-01 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been super interested in him since reading Hermione Lee's Virginia Woolf biography, but I haven't gotten around to reading this one. Your review definitely makes me want to! Sounds like a romp tbh.

Would genuinely love to read Strachey's shelved RPF drawerfic, Evelyn Baring/Gordon Graham, enemies to lovers, 75K.

From what I know of Strachey, I would completely believe that he did indeed write this.
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[personal profile] lirazel 2021-06-01 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
(I can make anything about the Brontes, ask me how).

Driveby love for this comment!
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2021-06-01 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
how bad all of his ideas were for education, which they were.

Evidence for this: he produced Matthew Arnold.
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[personal profile] sovay 2021-06-08 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
(I only know about The Four Feathers through cultural osmosis, and that very vaguely -- it's about accusations of cowardice?)

Yes, through which it's about concepts of courage and cowardice and what they mean against people's actual behavior as illustrated through a winning combination of angst and adventure. I've written a couple of times about the 1939 film, which is widely regarded as the best of at least half a dozen adaptations; it sharpens the novel's ironies and does spectacularly by its cast and location shooting and then there's the brownface, which is an irony I don't think it intended to add. Every so often I think about revisiting it for Patreon now that I know more about movies, but I have not actually done so. It was part of my discovery of Ralph Richardson and introduced me to John Clements, which in a wild shift of subjects reminds me to ask if you have seen Knight Without Armour (1937), because it is actually fascinating about the Russian Civil War. Sympathetic Bolsheviks in English-language cinema are, in my experience, hella rare.
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[personal profile] davidgillon 2021-06-08 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure you're too wrong, even for Brits, but there's still people who will be familiar with them because they happen to fall within areas of interest.