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skygiants ([personal profile] skygiants) wrote2018-11-18 08:42 am

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[personal profile] genarti: The thing is the Clone Wars just sounds like it's really depressing all the time.
ME: It's not ALWAYS depressing! Sometimes the episodes standing alone are perfectly upbeat! It's just in broader CONTEXT they're depressing!
[personal profile] genarti: [deeply unconvinced expression]
ME: Okay, I'm going to prove it to you. We're going to sit down and watch this episode about ADORABLE BABY JEDI and I dare you to find it depressing.
[personal profile] genarti, 20 minutes later: That admittedly was very cute.
ME: Now just don't think about what's going to happen to have happened to all those cute baby Jedi by the end of Revenge of the Sith!

In other news, I want it on the record that the baby Jedi episodes comprise the show's best arc to date.


1. Revival

Obi-wan is still fighting Darth Maul and Savage Oppress in this episode, but I care a little bit less because he's not teaming up with Ventress for it. He DOES team up with Smug Pirate Hondo Ohnaka, which starts a run of reluctant Hondo team-up episodes that are pretty good as an arc for Hondo as one character but even funnier in context of that tumblr post about endless clone Hondos.

2. A War On Two Fronts

ANAKIN: If we can't officially fight everywhere we want to fight, why don't we try secretly training rebels in guerrilla warfare tactics? :D
THE COUNCIL: The Jedi do not employ terrorism!
ANAKIN: Well, we're losing this war, so ... maybe we should?
DEBI: Anakin, you're going to be so sorry you said that in about two years when you're Darth Vader and you realize you accidentally kicked off the entire Resistance strategy.

I was somewhat spoiled for this arc in advance because mumble I needed to research it for clone OC fic mumble, which meant I got the fun of knowing in advance that this was Saw Gerrera As Seen In Rogue One and waiting for [personal profile] innerbrat to catch on. However, joke's on me, because I don't care about Ahsoka's Royal Ex Lux Bonteri at all and as a result it took me like an entire episode to realize the random British kid running around with Saw Gerrera and his sister Steela was someone we were supposed to have seen before.

3. Front Runners

Anakin and Obi-wan just leave Ahsoka behind on Onderon to support the entire guerrilla operation by herself, which seems a little harsh for me for a ... fourteen-year-old? Fifteen-year-old? How old is Ahsoka supposed to be these days?

Meanwhile, the show attempts to make a love triangle between Ahsoka, Lux and Steela happen, which confuses me because my impression thus far has been that Steela is a grown adult with no reason to be into a moderately dull British teenager? But the heart what it wants, I guess.

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense that everyone has a crush on Steela, because she's a smart, competent leader with great hair.



4. The Soft War

The rightful-but-deposed king of Onderon is sentenced to execution! (Could someone explain to me why every planet in the Galactic Republic appears to be a hereditary monarchy?)

Saw Gerrera comes up with a half-baked rescue plan and then trips over his own feet trying to accomplish it, while everyone else is like "I don't know what we expected".

Ahsoka spends half a minute trying to keep a low profile and then is like 'eh what are you going to do' and just force slams a whole bunch of droids in an incredibly public fashion while Anakin and Obi-wan several planets away are like "I don't know what we expected."

Meanwhile, Steela Gerrera makes sensible tactical decisions and overall does a great job leading her terrorist resistance cell! Four for you, Steela Gerrera.

5. Tipping Points

...so of course Steela dies in the course of assuring Onderonian rebel victory, because we don't get to have nice things. :( Meanwhile, this arc ends up with Lux Bonteri as the new Senator of Onderon, despite just having shown up there like two months ago, because ... his mother was a senator for some planet or other and political skill is genetic? Or something? Insert the obligatory commentary about accomplishments of a woman of color getting taken over by a mediocre white man here.

We also get another cameo by Hondo, who gets recruited to secretly smuggle weapons to the rebels because this whole arc is really about how the Jedi are just the CIA now. (I'm PRETTY sure this should be read as a troubling comparison.)

6. The Gathering

I forgot the baby Jedi arc comes IMMEDIATELY after the Onderon arc and I can only assume that the Jedi Council looked at Ahsoka's last several month's worth of guerrilla warfare and were like "this kid needs a break, LET'S GET HER THE CUTEST JOB WE CAN FIND."

As a result, Ahsoka is now responsible for shepherding six tiny Jedi on their quest to find their first lightsaber crystals and learning Important Lessons along the way and it is, indeed, incredibly cute. Just look at this lineup! SNAGGLETOOTHED MINI WOOKIE. BABY NAUTILAN WITH TINY TENTACLES.



7. A Test of Strength

En route home from their Adventures, the baby Jedi are busy trying to learn how to make lightsabers when they run into ... more adventures! In the person of Hondo! BABIES VS. PIRATES.

AHSOKA: Hondo we literally just teamed up TWO EPISODES ago, why are you now trying to ruin all that goodwill by murdering a bunch of baby Jedi?
HONDO: [cheerful shrug]

Anyway the babies mostly defeat the pirates, but Ahsoka ends up as their prisoner, and we ended the episode under the assumption that Anakin was about to have some more feelings about slavery...

8. Bound For Rescue

...but in fact everyone else is very busy so instead what we get is BABIES VS. PIRATES, PART 2 ... in which the babies employ a CUNNING RUSE!



This is the best thing to ever happen on this show full stop.

9. A Necessary Bond

At least until the last episode of this arc, in which the babies TEAM UP with the pirates to fight the Separatists! Who cares about the actual clone wars, why do I not have an entire show that's just this.

Special mention goes to the surprise mentorship bond that develops between Hondo and the shyest baby Jedi - he encourages her to build her lightsaber! she jumps on the back of his motorcycle and is like "I'LL PROTECT YOU!" SHE APPEALS TO HIS SENSE OF HONOR TO SAVE AHSOKA AND HE LISTENS. I'm now deeply invested in this relationship, I'm going to assume that when Order 66 happens Baby Katooni is totally fine because she already ran off to her terrible pirate dad.

10. Secret Weapons

And now, an arc all about droids! Which should be good, but, unfortunately, is not.
musesfool: Ahsoka Tano (dynamite the dam on the flow)

[personal profile] musesfool 2018-11-18 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think by the time of the Onderon arc, Ahsoka is 16-going-on-17 - there's a time skip in there somewhere early on, iirc. But Lux Bonteri is such a wet rag. I want the AU where Steela lives and she and Ahsoka get together.

Also, Katooni running away to join Hondo's gang to avoid Order 66 is A++ - I also choose to believe that's what happened.
musesfool: Ahsoka Tano (my power's turned on)

[personal profile] musesfool 2018-11-18 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure they actually pin it down? She's no older than 14, and it could be she has a birthday sometime early on. Wookieepedia says she's 36 at the time of ANH (her birth year is listed as 36BBY anyway*), so she's 17 by the end of the war, because that's 19 BBY, right?

*Interestingly, they list Anakin's birth year as 41 BBY, so there's only a five year gap between them? I always thought it was six (I thought she was 14 and he was 20 when she's assigned to him, but I guess it could be 14-19 instead?)

Anyway! The timeline is best not examined too closely. But I'm so glad to hear that there are stories about Katooni joining the pirates. And I'm sure I've read a good Steela Lives AU, though details are fuzzy.
musesfool: rogue one darth vader with lightsaber (i find your lack of faith disturbing)

[personal profile] musesfool 2018-11-18 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I am interested to see if/how they'll regress his maturity to RotS levels in the new TCW season.
schneefink: River walking among trees, from "Safe" (ahsoka)

[personal profile] schneefink 2018-11-18 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
How have I never seen these episodes. I need to fix that.
innerbrat: (Default)

[personal profile] innerbrat 2018-11-21 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Technically 90 minutes.
ceitfianna: (running towards a happy ending)

[personal profile] ceitfianna 2018-11-18 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The Rogue One fandom has been all over but what about if Steela lived and raised Jyn. I can't think of any titles off the top of my head since I think some might only exist in moodboard form but definite thing.

I love the baby Jedi and yeah, Lux is one of those characters that is not as interesting as the writers think he is.
aberration: Hera from Star Wars Rebels high-fiving Chopper (high five!)

[personal profile] aberration 2018-11-19 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure Steela was also a teenager, or at least roughly around the age of Lux and Ahsoka.... but then when I watched this the first time it was back when I just watched episodes at random, and so had no context for Lux and Ahsoka and kept playing this game of "okay but which one of them does Ahsoka actually have a crush on????" which was surprisingly effective devoid of context.

And Lux is from Onderon? His mother was the senator from Onderon. I did eventually what the show in an order, okay.


And I think the Jedi arc here is probably my favorite in the show! At least from what I ... remember. Aside from maybe the one of the clones ones. But for me it also underscores why, unpopular opinion, I hate Hondo.
aberration: NASA Webb image of the Carina nebula (scorched earth)

[personal profile] aberration 2018-11-19 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly in pretty true Clone Wars they-were-making-it-up-as-they-went fashion, the political climate that went from the Lux's mom as prominent Onderon Separatist Senator episode to Actually There Was A Puppet King The Whole Time??? doesn't make much sense. But that is it, somehow.

yeeeeah, well, clone Hondo would make more sense! But as it is I resent the screentime he gets as a wildly inconsistently written character, and that the narrative is so often asking me to accept that the guy who tortured Obi-Wan and Anakin, a lot, for no real reason, was super cool with letting Jedi babies die and also in this arc basically told Ahsoka he was going to sell her off to some buyer who would probably sexually assault her, no this guy is actually kind of okay and even noble, uh. No narrative, do not want.
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[personal profile] hokuton_punch 2018-11-19 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
Baby Jedi + pirates is UNQUESTIONABLY the best show pitch in the history of the world.

Also, theory about Katooni ACCEPTED, NO TAKEBACKS.
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)

[personal profile] bookblather 2018-11-19 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Baby Jedi? Foolishness! All the Jedi are gone! Pay no attention to these six pirates that Hondo has stashed in his ship. They are clearly pirates and not baby Jedi at all. That is foolishness that you speak. They are PIRATES.

(put the lightsaber away, kid, I think I've got them fooled!)

in other news Steela should not have died and I like to imagine her not dying and popping up in Rebels to judge Saw.
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)

[personal profile] bookblather 2018-11-21 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it's not like they haven't brought more improbable people back to life.

Anyway, his pirates also collect valuable crystals inside of lightsabers. It's a hobby.
sheliak: Rachel Summers, fencing and looking gleeful. (Rachel: swashbuckle)

[personal profile] sheliak 2018-11-19 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been vaguely meaning to watch this show for a while even though I do not generally watch shows, but now I definitely want to watch it for the baby Jedi.
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[personal profile] genarti 2018-11-19 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
(*cough* [personal profile] genarti *cough*)

IT WAS ADORABLE. If... doomed... although I am all on board with your headcanon, obviously. That's one (1) adorable baby Jedi saved!!

In my defense, all the episodes I had previously seen had, in fact, been super depressing! And so had many of the ones you talked about! The counterargument that I asked to see those episodes for reference and that counterargument is, indeed, a reasonable one. >.>
genarti: Barbossa from Pirates of the Caribbean, monkey on his shoulder, both looking very pleased with life. ([potc] undead monkey!)

[personal profile] genarti 2018-11-20 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU DID, let the record show it! Sometime we can watch that one, and more baby Jedis + pirates adventures, and give me a misleadingly cheery experience of the show. :D
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[personal profile] jothra 2018-11-25 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Obviously they're all monarchies so you can write Ruritanian romances that take place in the Star Wars universe.