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I forced [personal profile] genarti and [personal profile] tenillypo to watch Beyond Evil with me despite the fact that none of us particularly like serial killer shows because I'd heard it was extremely good and extremely homoerotic.

I think ... at least one of those things is definitely true!

This is a Prestige Drama about a small town that is still haunted by the disappearance & probable murder of golden-girl high school student Lee Yoo-yeon twenty years ago plus another different high school girl that everybody cares about less; her twin brother, Lee Dong-sik, was accused of the murder, then acquitted, then became a cop in the big city, then got demoted due to some other form of disgrace and is now back working as the Weirdest Cop in this small-town police department while still obsessively trying to Crack his Sister's Cold Case. When the show begins, hotshot-yet-friendless young detective Han Joo-won has just gotten himself assigned to the police department, ostensibly for reasons I don't remember, but secretly because he's following a serial killer case with similarities to the cold case from twenty years ago and is absolutely convinced that Lee Dong-sik has been the killer all along.

At the end of the first episode I turned to Gen and Tenille and said, "ah. You construct intricate rituals to touch the murder walls of other men" and that's it, that's the show. If what you like is guys being incredibly weird about each other, gratuitously grabbing each other by the collar and shoulder in order to accuse each other of murder, holding guns to each other's heads, finding excuses to handcuff each other in public, promising that only the other will be the one who can one day arrest them, crying at each other in the rain while vowing to get vengeance so the other doesn't have to dirty his hands, and so on, and so forth: yeah! absolutely! you're gonna get all of that, all of the time!

I was going to put some images here and then I found this tumblr gifset that has pretty much everything I would have included so, you know, just go look at that and you really will get a full sense of the vibe.

And it is -- let me say it again -- all this vibe, all the time, generally in ways that directly contravene ... basic Earth logic .... to the point that we spent most of the show convinced that the whole town was afflicted with a gas leak that made everybody decide that they had to take the most convoluted method to solve any possible problem. At one point our favorite character, the local butcher, leaves town and gets herself a job somewhere else for a whole episode and has one (1) completely normal conversation with some nice elderly fisherwomen before getting dragged back into the plot; this only reinforced our conviction.

Also, speaking of absurd convolutions, I have got to take a minute here for anyone who is not planning to watch the show to spoil the reveal of what Actually Happened On That Fateful Night to our hero's poor hackey-sack-plot-ball of a sister. Are you ready?

ON THAT FATEFUL NIGHT:

1. she breaks up with her boyfriend, our hero's troubled best friend
2. while heading home in a huff, she runs into her foster brother, doing a serial killing
3. the serial killer foster brother does his signature cut-off-her-fingers move but realizes she's a Good Girl so doesn't actually kill her and instead wanders away to continue lurking in the general area
4. while escaping from her serial killer foster brother, clutching her fingerless hands and calling for help, she's (alas!) fatally hit by our other hero's evil and corrupt dad as he drunk drives home
5. he calls his local bruiser/hit-man for help and leaves the scene
6. the bruiser/hit-man leaves the body and goes to move the car
7. while he's gone, the troubled best friend, ALSO drunk driving home, ALSO hits her body in the middle of the road
8. he calls his evil and corrupt politician mom
9. who ALSO calls the local bruiser/hit-man for help
10. local bruiser/hit-man thrilled to be paid twice by separate people to cover up the same murder, ONCE AGAIN leaves the body and goes to move this, SECOND, car
11. the serial killer, who has continued to lurk in the general vicinity, wanders back, finds the body, and absconds ????? with it ??????? so that it can later be found entombed in the hero's basement
12. local bruiser/hit-man returns, finds the body gone, is like 'eh' and collects his double paycheck
13. yakety sax!!!

At one point we really were wondering if there were any characters in the show who weren't going to have turned out to have had their moment in the spotlight juggling Yu-Yeon's corpse.

Did I mention btw that all the non-serial-killer murders happened because the Evil and Corrupt Politicians are really determined to build a mall? They are incredibly passionate about building a mall.

I actually think the show would be a lot stronger, both thematically and in terms of actual plot logic, if it did not have the whole serial killer plot ... I realize I have said this before and I will say it again, and it is, perhaps, particularly absurd to say it about a show that specifically bills itself as being about a serial killer plot, but nonetheless I stand by it. But, to be clear, I have no regrets about watching it; the vibes really are off the charts. In the last episode Ju-won sobs while he simultaneously puts Dong-sik in cuffs and tenderly caresses his hands and I laughed harder than I have in weeks!

Date: 2024-01-05 03:37 am (UTC)
sovay: (Cho Hakkai: intelligence)
From: [personal profile] sovay
And it is -- let me say it again -- all this vibe, all the time, generally in ways that directly contravene ... basic Earth logic ....

[personal profile] handful_ofdust wrote about this series a couple of years ago in a way that suggested I would enjoy it and then I never actually followed up! Honestly it still sounds bonkers great.

Date: 2024-01-05 03:53 am (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
wait, are the twin brother and the foster brother the same person, or two different people?


(I watched like, six episodes but failed out because it was SO MUCH VIBES, so little substance, despite being extremely into the butcher, so I eagerly read your spoilers to find out what I missed, and ... I'm still not sure what I missed, but boy it sounds like a LOT)

Date: 2024-01-05 03:53 am (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
WHAT A WILD RIDE THIS WAS.

Is it good? I would say: no. The gas leak theory for everyone's logic at all times is a sincere theory. Did I enjoy it? Occasionally! Definitely not all the time! A lot of it is fairly unpleasant actually! Do I think they handled their themes well? Meh, I mean, a couple of them, but overall not really. Do I regret having seen it? Overall no! Because it was SUCH A NONSENSE WILD RIDE and will lend us joke fodder for ages. That ending... everything... was absolutely surreal in its unintentional(?) hilarity.

I do think it's fascinating how tidily split into two halves it is. There's the What Happened To Yu-Yeon And Who Is The Serial Killer half, and then and there's the Tracking Down Loose Ends And Political Corruption Of The Older Generation half, and they have plot and thematic throughlines but VERY different vibes.

Date: 2024-01-05 03:55 am (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
Two different people! Foster brother is... a neighbor who was raised by their parents or was Like Family To Them or something? The show did explain, I think, but I blinked and missed it. Anyway, the foster brother is the guy with the stutter with the runaway/delinquent daughter.

(The butcher is GREAT, and also, regrettably, a pretty secondary character. Though that's probably just as well for her sake.)

Date: 2024-01-05 04:00 am (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
right. right. gotchu.

Wow, okay.

Yeah, everyone is very gothically fucked up. Like, every single person is the person in the gothic novel who copes the worst with being in the gothic novel, you know?

Date: 2024-01-05 04:00 am (UTC)
portico: (nadja)
From: [personal profile] portico
yessss the butcher we love the butcher

Date: 2024-01-05 04:01 am (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
it all.... makes sense... now??

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Date: 2024-01-05 04:02 am (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
YEAH. That's it that's the show! What an incredibly accurate description of all of them.

Date: 2024-01-05 04:07 am (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
not sure the gas leak doesn't have a hang-up about women, tbh.

Date: 2024-01-05 04:21 am (UTC)
lirazel: Anne Bonny from Black Sails looks down at Max ([tv] cannot fathom)
From: [personal profile] lirazel
At the end of the first episode I turned to Gen and Tenille and said, "ah. You construct intricate rituals to touch the murder walls of other men" and that's it, that's the show.

CORRECT!

Oh, yeah, the plot is totally bonkers and makes zero sense, but it's SUCH FUN to watch! Did it make sense? Super nope! Did I enjoy watching it? Super yes!

And totally agreed that Jae-yi is the best character! I deserve a spinoff!

Date: 2024-01-05 04:33 am (UTC)
lirazel: Anya from the animated film Anastasia in her fantasy ([film] dancing bears painted wings)
From: [personal profile] lirazel
Me, screaming at the television: UNDERNEATH THE KIMCHI?????

Yeah, I definitely wanted her to get out and live a real life!

Date: 2024-01-05 04:47 am (UTC)
portico: (Default)
From: [personal profile] portico
:(

Date: 2024-01-05 04:59 am (UTC)
sushiflop: (stock; oh yeah an upskiraaaaAAAAAAAAAHHH)
From: [personal profile] sushiflop
Did I mention btw that all the non-serial-killer murders happened because the Evil and Corrupt Politicians are really determined to build a mall? They are incredibly passionate about building a mall.

I love this. Love it. I want to know about this mall. What are they SELLING there, what do they imagine they will sell, it must be so special

Date: 2024-01-05 05:14 am (UTC)
sovay: (Jonathan & Dr. Einstein)
From: [personal profile] sovay
oh man, I truly think you would have a great time with it and I would love BEYOND WORDS to read your write-up of it!

My ability to write about things has been a little bit banjaxed lately (which is annoying to me since I have seen several things that I would like to write about) but I will at some point do my best!

Date: 2024-01-05 05:36 am (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Saiyuki: Hakkai's hand)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
That hand caressing is really something. But not as much something as the spoilers! Lolwhat!

Date: 2024-01-05 06:13 am (UTC)
ceitfianna: (Allpocalypse)
From: [personal profile] ceitfianna
Those gifs give me a strong Guardian vibe, all the hands, serial killer shows are weird as are small town mystery shows, plots gets odd.

Date: 2024-01-05 07:29 am (UTC)
imbir: HBO-type puppet man from the Musée Mécanique in San Francisco (Default)
From: [personal profile] imbir
I watched this show because I had severe insomnia for a year & a half and that did not lead to good decision making on my part. Having said that, I do enjoy stories where a high-achieving perfectionist wows everyone they know by having a profound midlife crisis in their 20s, and Han Joo-Won and Yoo Jae-Yi's grudging and awkward cat-hissing-at-its-own-reflection acquaintanceship was an unexpected and pleasant surprise.

I'm not against your gas leak theory, but the problem is so much wider than just the town:
1) "[Lee Dong-sik] became a cop in the big city, then got demoted due to some other form of disgrace" = he refused to explain that his partner was murdered by the suspect they were staking out, and this somehow caused his whole team to get demoted
2) Han Joo-Won's return to the city during the mid-show timeskip restored some of his factory settings, but not the important ones
3) this show won the Baeksang Arts Award for Best TV Script

Ergo, I don't think Yoo Jae-Yi had any real chance of going pescatarian and setting up her own gambling circle with those fisherwomen. It's like the man said: "Manyang people stick together." There's no point in running, the disease is inside her.

Date: 2024-01-05 11:23 am (UTC)
shadaras: A phoenix with wings fully outspread, holidng a rose and an arrow in its talons. (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadaras
I feel like every time someone has tried to pitch this show to me they gave me the impression that it'd be an extremely serious Hannibal-esque drama, which... isn't wrong from your descriptions but at least Hannibal goes all-out on fantastical imagery while it's using murder as an excuse to have big homoerotic feelings. xD And people tended to be like "wow dark and gritty gay cop show!" which this does not sound like, it sounds like a melodrama. (Which is fine! But not my jam, for different reasons than dark and gritty cop shows tend not to be my jam.)

Also that explanation of what happened on the plot-instigating night is very ??? such a silly mess.

Date: 2024-01-05 12:06 pm (UTC)
marginaliana: Buddy the dog carries Bobo the toy (Default)
From: [personal profile] marginaliana
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Date: 2024-01-05 12:31 pm (UTC)
dolorosa_12: (emily hanna)
From: [personal profile] dolorosa_12
ON THAT FATEFUL NIGHT:

1. she breaks up with her boyfriend, our hero's troubled best friend
2. while heading home in a huff, she runs into her foster brother, doing a serial killing
3. the serial killer foster brother does his signature cut-off-her-fingers move but realizes she's a Good Girl so doesn't actually kill her and instead wanders away to continue lurking in the general area
4. while escaping from her serial killer foster brother, clutching her fingerless hands and calling for help, she's (alas!) fatally hit by our other hero's evil and corrupt dad as he drunk drives home
5. he calls his local bruiser/hit-man for help and leaves the scene
6. the bruiser/hit-man leaves the body and goes to move the car
7. while he's gone, the troubled best friend, ALSO drunk driving home, ALSO hits her body in the middle of the road
8. he calls his evil and corrupt politician mom
9. who ALSO calls the local bruiser/hit-man for help
10. local bruiser/hit-man thrilled to be paid twice by separate people to cover up the same murder, ONCE AGAIN leaves the body and goes to move this, SECOND, car
11. the serial killer, who has continued to lurk in the general vicinity, wanders back, finds the body, and absconds ????? with it ??????? so that it can later be found entombed in the hero's basement
12. local bruiser/hit-man returns, finds the body gone, is like 'eh' and collects his double paycheck
13. yakety sax!!!


AMAZING.

Date: 2024-01-05 03:40 pm (UTC)
copperfyre: (Default)
From: [personal profile] copperfyre
This sounds bonkers and kind of amazing. Sometimes you just have to touch the murder walls of other men!

I really appreciate the hit-man/henchmen going "eh" and collecting twice over for a body he didn't even hide. I respect this kind of hustle.

Date: 2024-01-05 03:55 pm (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
It's certainly not the same *order* of thing. Maybe a kind of malpractice?

Date: 2024-01-05 06:36 pm (UTC)
hermionesviolin: image of the Devil Robot from Futurama, with text "El Diablo Robótico" (which is a phrase from an Angel episode) (diablo robotico [saava])
From: [personal profile] hermionesviolin
So, he cuts off her fingers but doesn't kill her ... was he at all worried that she would report him to the authorities for cutting her fingers off? (Or for doing a murder? Your summary implies that she witnesses him doing a murder, but I suppose maybe she doesn't.) Or is it just assumed that she doesn't wanna risk him murdering her after all/feels family loyalty because he's her foster brother/something?

Date: 2024-01-06 12:21 am (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
THANK YOU for watching this and reporting back, it truly does sound like 500 vibes in a trenchcoat and it gave me a good laugh.

Date: 2024-01-07 12:31 am (UTC)
ceitfianna: (four elements)
From: [personal profile] ceitfianna
Time travel near the end, odd magical societies, lot going on but the heart of it is the yearning of a cop and a professor. I still haven't finished watching it, but really enjoyed it.

Date: 2024-01-07 02:03 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
MY MISTAKE I apologize unreservedly to the Cool But Tragically Rain-Drenched Leather Jacket.

Date: 2024-01-08 12:40 am (UTC)
sovay: (Morell: quizzical)
From: [personal profile] sovay
this poor woman just one plot twist away from a full Weekend at Bernies situation

I would say she definitely achieved the Trouble with Harry.

Date: 2024-01-08 04:55 am (UTC)
brownbetty: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brownbetty
It feels like, in some ways, this show's thesis is: men would rather literally spend [mumble] years not catching a serial killer than go to therapy
Edited (possessive apostrophe) Date: 2024-01-08 04:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2024-01-08 05:14 am (UTC)
imbir: HBO-type puppet man from the Musée Mécanique in San Francisco (Default)
From: [personal profile] imbir
Oh man, yes, I completely forgot about the leather jacket. Way to abandon an expensive investment because it reminds you of your personal failure, Joo-won! Way to be nothing like your dad, Joo-won!

Date: 2024-01-10 12:20 am (UTC)
chestnut_pod: A close-up photograph of my auburn hair in a French braid (Default)
From: [personal profile] chestnut_pod
Your numbered description of the climactic crime scene had me in STITCHES at the union meeting. I think I ruptured my windpipe trying not to laugh. And this was not played for comedy?!

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