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I know most of you who have decided to read along aren't there yet, but I have to do Book 2: "Cosette" of Les Mis now because I'm just about up to the introduction of Les Amis in my own read and before too long I'll get overwhelmed by revolutionaries and forget everything I had to say about Book 2. It's okay though because these posts are open for discussion forever!

(By the way, have I mentioned how excited I am that a couple people are actually reading along with this? I didn't really expect anyone else to take the plunge with me but I am SO EXCITED that you are!)

So if you're working of knowledge from the musical, "Cosette" pretty much only covers two songs: "Castle on a Cloud" and "Master of the House." (Three, if you count "The Bargain/Thenardier Waltz of Treachery" as a song in and of itself.) You might wonder how Hugo wrote 1/5 of his book about this tiny fraction of the plot!

This is because the musical jettisoned a ton of Jean Valjean's heroism, a bunch of shenanigans around a dead nun, and many, many pages of Victor Hugo's REALLY INTENSE FEELINGS ABOUT WATERLOO.

I'm gonna start with Waterloo first, which is perhaps the most infamous of all of Victor Hugo's digressions. But this time around I found it rather endearing! Victor Hugo has a LOT OF FEELINGS about Napoleon, and he doesn't actually know what those feelings are, just that he has them. Napoleon was great! Napoleon was terrible! Napoleon symbolized glory! Napoleon symbolized despotism! Napoleon was too much of a genius for this world! NAPOLEON ANNOYED GOD. (This last is a direct quote from my translation, and it's beautiful.)

Also, he devotes a whole chapter to rhapsodizing about one French dude who shouted "MERDE!" at the English army. "You want to know who won the Battle of Waterloo?" says Victor Hugo. "IT'S THAT DUDE. I mean, he died, but he totally won Waterloo." I presume that, if the Web had been around then, Victor Hugo would also have declared that he won the Internet.

Anyway the excuse for all these feelings about Waterloo is to set up that time that M. Thenardier accidentally saved the life of Marius' father, which is totally not going to be plot-significant later or anything.

Meanwhile, Jean Valjean has actually gotten hauled back to the galleys to work on a prison ship -- and, because he is such a badass, has actually pre-planned an escape plan that goes like this:

1. Wear away at your chains until they're easily breakable
2. Wait until a sailor needs to be rescued.
3. Dramatically break your chains and SAVE THAT GUY'S LIFE
4. Amid the enthusiastic applause from the bystanders and various shouts of "PARDON THAT HEROIC MAN," "accidentally" fall into the ocean and "drown"
5. PROFIT!

Because if you're going to escape from prison anyway, you might as well be a big damn hero while you're at it, I guess. Valjean then goes to collect Cosette, and, in the first instance we see of Socially Awkward Jean Valjean this chapter, introduces himself by creeping up behind her and grabbing her water bucket. It's a good thing for him that Cosette has lived her whole life around enormous creepers and anything looks better than the Thenardiers, is what I am saying.

Once Cosette has been acquired, Valjean and Cosette settle around for happy family life in a creepy old house in the suburbs, where Cosette spends most of her time playing with her new doll, and Socially Awkward Saint Valjean spends most of his time hiding giant pots of money in his jacket and avoiding conversation with everybody else, except when he surreptitiously gives giant gold coins to beggars. Needless to say this behavior starts to attract SOME SUSPICION, and Javert, who up until now has been perfectly happy to believe Jean Valjean dead, is like "FINE, all right, manhunt time."

The intense chase through the streets of Paris that follows always leaves me feeling a little sorry for Javert -- like, he waits too long to get help and capture Valjean because he is very responsible and really wants to be sure he's got the right guy! It would be super awkward if he just arrested some random grandfather! And then, once he does, he stops and waits until he can get some backup, as is good procedure, and the end Valjean and Cosette disappear over a wall into a convent and Javert is left standing in a blind alley and kicking himself.

(Meanwhile:
COSETTE: Daddy why are we creeping through the streets and running away?
VALJEAN: . . . because your abusive foster parents are coming back to get you! SO WE HAVE TO STAY REAL QUIET.
COSETTE: @__________@

A+ parenting, Jean Valjean.)

Fortunately, the convent they happen to fall into has a gardener whose life Jean Valjean once saved -- it's the guy who was trapped under the runaway cart -- which provides us with the best scene of Socially Awkward Jean Valjean yet:

FAUCHELEVANT: Monsieur Mayor! It's so great to see you again!
JEAN VALJEAN: . . . ????
FAUCHELEVANT: Thank you so much again for saving my life?
JEAN VALJEAN: . . . ????
FAUCHELEVANT: . . . you totally forgot you did that, didn't you.
JEAN VALJEAN: . . .
FAUCHELEANT: Well I call that PRETTY RUDE.
JEAN VALJEAN: I'm sorry! I'm working towards sainthood! For me it was Tuesday.

Fortunately Fauchelevant is kind enough (and also bored enough) to forgive this and help Valjean craft a cunning plan to stay in the convent. He is helped with this by the fact that the nuns have decided that today is a great day to ILLEGALLY BURY A BODY under their altar, because that dead nun really wanted to be buried under the altar and they are not gonna let THE MAN tell them where they can bury any nuns if they can help it. DAMN THEIR HEALTH CODES, DAMN THEIR LIES!

And, you know, after helping with that bit of business, Fauchelevant can pretty much smuggle in any fake brothers and their fake granddaughters that he wants to. After first smuggling Jean Valjean out in the fake empty coffin that was supposed to hold the illegally buried sister, of course. This is basically the HEIST section of the novel, and Victor Hugo takes pains to point out that Jean Valjean of course knows exactly how to get smuggled out of places in a coffin, he was a convict, wasn't he? Because all convicts naturally know all methods of escape by osmosis.

That's pretty much all the plot from this section, but I do want to give Victor Hugo a shout-out for the fact that he is actually surprisingly good at writing believable little girls! The bit where Eponine and Azelma are dressing up the cat is great; so is the part where he's going on about how the students in the convent school have divided themselves into school houses based on their favorite kind of insect, so they're, like, Caterpillar House and Wood Louse House. Kids, man.

Best Character Not Appearing In Any Adaptations award for this section, by the way, definitely goes to the rebellious criminal abbess, who goes on like a three-page rant about DAMN THE MAN, SOMETIMES A NUN'S GOTTA DO WHAT A NUN'S GOTTA DO.

Date: 2013-01-08 09:48 pm (UTC)
adiva_calandia: (Are you -- Nobody -- Too?)
From: [personal profile] adiva_calandia
. . . You are almost making me want to read Victor Hugo, but I think maybe I would prefer to just read your retellings of him. *chinhands*

Date: 2013-01-08 09:51 pm (UTC)
cahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cahn
Ahahahaha, after a weekend with grandparents I am CAUGHT UP! HA! My reaction post is here.

I found Waterloo still a bit of a slog, though much less than I was expecting, probably because I was steeled so much for it? The Gutenberg translation has "[Napoleon] embarrassed God," which is probably not as good a translation but still makes me crack up.

I was also impressed, this time around, by how true "Master of the House" is to the actual text of the book!

OMG, your recaps of Socially Awkward Saint Valjean are super funny, because it never occurs to me when reading how incredibly socially awkward he is, but YES.

(But man, Marius is going to Take the Cake with social awkwardness! When Valjean thinks you're socially awkward... that's when you know you need to worry!)

Date: 2013-01-08 09:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
Is it wrong that I love the Waterloo section desperately? It was my first introduction to Epic Writing, where a writer just says DAMN IT I WILL WRITE THE WHOLE BATTLE AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND MY INCHOATE AWE. And it works-- I mean, I tried to read War and Peace some time ago, and oh god, the battle scenes in that, aagh what no aagh blah. Hugo's cavalry charge gets me all teary.

And the nuns! That convent is THE CREEPIEST CONVENT. It outdoes ninety percent of Gothic novels. The rules of their order are fucking RIDICULOUS, and yet they are all nice and awesome ladies anyway!

Which is basically to say, you have just read my personal favorite parts of the book.

Date: 2013-01-08 09:57 pm (UTC)
happydork: A graph-theoretic tree in the shape of a dog, with the caption "Tree (with bark)" (Default)
From: [personal profile] happydork
DAMN THEIR HEALTH CODES, DAMN THEIR LIES!

LOL IRL, as M. Hugo would have said if he were writing today.

I am not doing the read-along, but I have grabbed my copy (or, rather, volume one of my copy) off the shelf in order to reread some of my favourite bits from what you so accurately describe as "Napoleon was great! Napoleon was terrible! Napoleon symbolized glory! Napoleon symbolized despotism! Napoleon was too much of a genius for this world! NAPOLEON ANNOYED GOD."

<3<3<3 "Napoleon had been impeached before the Infinite, and his fall was decreed." <3<3<3

The whole "Was it possible that Napoleon should win this battle? We answer no. Why? Because of Wellington? Because of Blücher? No. Because of God." bit is probably my second favourite bit of the book (my favourite moment is the paragraph pretty early on where he does a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation of how much it costs for ships to salute each other and how many family you could feed for the same price -- but never mind the families, politeness is very important, don't you know?) and now I have all the WATERLOO feelings YET AGAIN.

...I'm going to have to a proper reread, aren't I? DAMN YOU. *shakes puny fist*

Date: 2013-01-08 09:58 pm (UTC)
happydork: A graph-theoretic tree in the shape of a dog, with the caption "Tree (with bark)" (Default)
From: [personal profile] happydork
I am a stranger from the internet and I am here to tell you it is not wrong to love the Waterloo section with every atom of your heart. "WATERLOO IS NOT A BATTLE; IT IS THE CHANGE OF FRONT OF THE UNIVERSE."

Date: 2013-01-08 10:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] remindmeofthe
I also love the part where Valjean straps Cosette to his back or something and then scales a fifteen-foot wall with his bare hands, because of course he does. I think that was about when I began to realize what a life-changing experience this book was going to be.

This part also has my favorite digression, I think - the one where Hugo spends ten pages going "no seriously fucking organized religion what the fuck."

I have yet to read Waterloo. It's the only digression I just flat out skipped the one time I read the book through (as opposed to returning for bits and pieces). Fifty pages on the Parisian sewers I got through, no problem. Waterloo? CAN'T DO IT.

Date: 2013-01-08 11:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
Your write up is the best thing ever XDDDD

Speaking of that guy at Waterloo, have you heard about the play about him? (Sorry no english translation on wikipedia)

For that matter there's a rap song about La guarde meurt mais ne se rend pas (then again I'm not sure the reference is intentional)

Date: 2013-01-08 11:28 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
As you should.

There's also a metro station named for this guy in Paris.

Date: 2013-01-08 11:38 pm (UTC)
jinian: (gir cupcake)
From: [personal profile] jinian
OKAY OKAY I will read along, how am I supposed to resist the Gothic nuns whom I'd completely forgotten about?

Date: 2013-01-08 11:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jinian
diabolicalbooktemptress.dreamwidth.org

Date: 2013-01-09 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] metaphortunate
That's basically where I am. The book cannot possibly be more awesome than this interpretation of it. (In my current free time situation where awesomeness = awesomeness/length, anyway.)

Date: 2013-01-09 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] metaphortunate
Giggling forever at DAMN THEIR HEALTH CODES, DAMN THEIR LIES.

Date: 2013-01-09 12:21 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
adlkjhfsldkjfdslfdf HELLO I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT LES MIS

um hi [personal profile] cahn linked me over here and I am VERY GLAD because I have a lot of Les Mis feels and I am reading Les Mis for the first time right now and am currently in THIS VERY SECTION AND ENJOYING THE HECK OUT OF IT.

Date: 2013-01-09 12:34 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-09 12:52 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
:D :D :D so many feels, yes! I was not expecting to be this into the book! I've already had to sterly tell myself not to get ahead of myself and decide in the first week of January what my favourite book of the year is going to be.... :P

Date: 2013-01-09 01:35 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
MAGIC INDEED. I've been trying to decide whether the amazingly riveting nature of the book is original to Hugo or whether it's the translation, because I know that translation can have a huge impact on the quality of a work. And idk, I think it's both? Like, I really love the translation I'm using (Hapgood, if you're curious), but I also think Hugo is REALLY TRULY MAGICAL, a fantastic writer.

Date: 2013-01-09 01:55 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
Yes, Hapgood is GREAT. So many amazing turns of phrase! Also, one of the things I love about it is that it is a 19th century translation of a 19th century novel, so it damn well sounds like it's from the era it's from. (well, it's possible I'm super easy for 19th-century english, BUT STILL)

also yes I think it super fascinating that it was a runaway bestseller when it first came out! It makes me want to get into some analysis of changing definitions of what a "good" novel looks like, because these days you would never get away with starting your novel with a sixty page character sketch of a character who doesn't return for the entire rest of the novel. BUT HE DID AND IT WORKED and people liked it and everything!

Date: 2013-01-09 01:55 am (UTC)
cahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cahn
I'm totally, like, maybe I should apologize for BUTTONHOLING RANDOM STRANGERS ON THE INTERNET AND TELLING THEM ABOUT THIS FABULOUS LES MIS REREAD

...but so much fun to have MORE PEOPLE READING!

Date: 2013-01-09 03:11 am (UTC)
rushthatspeaks: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
Have you heard The Best Literary Correspondence Ever? Hugo was in Belgium when the book came out, and sent his agent a letter which read only "?".

His agent sent back "!".

If I were Hugo, I am not sure it would have reassured me, though the permanent place in the Guinness Book of World Records for Shortest Meaningful Correspondence is pretty cool.

Date: 2013-01-09 03:39 am (UTC)
umadoshi: umadoshi kanji (read fast (bisty_icons))
From: [personal profile] umadoshi
You are making me want to reread Les Mis, and my to-read list is WAY TOO LONG for that. Hmph. But I only read it once, back in high school, and I have no idea if the translation was any good or whatnot because my main memory of it is "wow, this thing is LONG".

(I just downloaded it from Project Gutenberg, since the version there seems to be the translation you like. ^_^ Just in case.)

Date: 2013-01-09 07:44 am (UTC)
rushthatspeaks: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
Yes! And he saved on sentence-ending punctuation in the book itself, so he had plenty of that left.

I forget why he was in Belgium. Politics. I know he didn't want to be, I remember that.

The problem is that except for the awesome correspondence cited, my memories of Hugo's life have faded under the cloud of having found out about his sexual proclivities, which are incredibly distracting in that James Joyce's letters way and make me incapable of filing most info about the man in my brain because I get sidetracked. (It could be a lot worse in that he never hurt anybody or anything, it's just very distracting-- the man was a necrophile.)(cf. Victor Hugo: A Biography, Graham Robb, among other sources)

Consequently, even though you will note I have just cited a Huge-Ass Biography, I can't remember so much as his children's names, because apparently once my brain stores some kinds of detail the rest fucks off. It's like how I can basically quote those James Joyce letters because they SCARRED MY BRAIN but uh I think he had multiple children maybe and I assume he lived somewhere?

Well, I am well-equipped if I ever have to teach 'Traumatic Things About Your Favorite Authors: A Seminar'.

... tempting thought, actually.

Date: 2013-01-09 03:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorothean
Is Hugo's the one that goes on about the sunken lane forever? Because yeah, I love that.

Date: 2013-01-09 03:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dorothean
Reading personal things about favorite authors is just dangerous. Sometimes it's very useful (I'm glad I read Rosemary Sutcliff's memoir) but sometimes it's ruinous (I used to be curious about Robin McKinley's life but then she started blogging and I wish I could un-learn a few things) although I have never ... necrophilia ... what.

Date: 2013-01-09 03:30 pm (UTC)
dorothean: detail of painting of Gandalf, Frodo, and Gimli at the Gates of Moria, trying to figure out how to open them (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorothean
I really hate how Hugo characterizes Mme Thenardier. He focuses so much on her body and how she's an aberrant woman because she's tall and strong and hairy. And then, even though she's mean to everyone else, he says she's completely entranced by her husband and submits to him in everything.

It's not like any of Hugo's female characters make sense (although I do love the nuns) but ugh, ugh. It was especially horrid to read that when I was expecting something totally different from "Master of the House."

Date: 2013-01-09 04:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] umadoshi
I remember surprisingly little about the book, other than that at the time I was taken aback by the seemingly-infinite pages devoted to the saintly bishop (none of the other lengthy digressions made much of an impression).

The one big takeaway that's stuck with me is Eponine and Gavroche being siblings, and I've been sad for all these years that the musical never acknowledged that. (I know there were other siblings in the book too, but that's a very blurry memory. I remember a bit with Gavroche and their brothers, but not the specifics of it.)

Date: 2013-01-09 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] petra
There has to be a Reg Shoe joke in here somewhere. I can feel it.

Date: 2013-01-09 05:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu
Likewise!

Date: 2013-01-13 03:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] batyatoon
me tooooooo

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