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[personal profile] bookblather asked about crossdressing for December 15th, which is a surprisingly difficult post to write. OKAY.

So pretty much everybody knows that PLUCKY CROSSDRESSING GIRLS is one of my ultimate instant-sell tropes. Like, show me a crossdressing girl and no matter how cheesy the narrative, I'm there. AND I'LL PROBABLY LOVE IT. Like, I really, honestly loved She's the Man. Which tells you a lot.

(If you're curious, here is a post I wrote about some cross-dressed girls in fiction that I love. Please note that this list TRAGICALLY EXCLUDES a whole slew of kdrama characters I encountered since I first wrote it, most notably Kim Yoon Hee from Sungkyunkwan Scandal.)

I've spent a lot of time sort of squinting sideways at this particular susceptibility of mine -- so much so that I eventually wrote my undergraduate Honors thesis about crossdressing in YA novels, and what makes it such a viscerally appealing plot for teenaged girls. It was not a very good thesis and I'm afraid to run a count on how many times the word 'liminal' appears in the text. BUT IT'S VALID, because the thing I was sort of trying to get at there is, like --

Okay, so one way to look at the trope of the cross-dressing girl, as it plays out in narrative fiction, is that it's as problematic as it is progressive; the heroine dresses like a boy to achieve agency in the narrative, because you have to act like a boy to be an active agent, but she's really a girl, it's really okay for her to make out with her boy love interest because we all know what's real under her boy-clothes, and that's not questioned. It's cheap girl-power, it's a way of pretending like you're transgressing gender boundaries without really destabilizing anything at all. And I'm definitely not going to argue with anyone who sees it that way, because in a very real way that's true, and it's part of the reason I've spent so much time trying to put my id under a microscope.

But I'd rather look at it this way: the trope of the cross-dressing girl is, I think, kind of like a training-wheels trope. With the cross-dressing girl, you can start to dig at at complex ideas about gender and identity and the kind of relationships between people that transcend the boxes they start out in. What if the physical traits you're born with don't have to determine your identity? What if attraction between people doesn't fall neatly along gender lines? What if most of gender is performance, anyway?

It's a gentle destabilization -- unthreatening, because everybody knows how the cross-dressing girl story goes, that everything goes back to gender norms at the end. Except it doesn't always. Start from the familiar, unthreatening trope of the cross-dressing girl, and you can get to Jacky Faber, who swaps gender performance as rapidly as she swaps boyfriends and girlfriends; you can get to Go Eun-chan, whose hitherto-straight boyfriend, finally and happily invested in his gay relationship, is shocked and betrayed when she reveals to him that she's a girl; you can get to Dororo, who isn't actually a crossdressing girl at all, actually; who will never become a woman, who is a man forever.

Or you can stay with Alanna, and her journey to accept that, hey, femininity is not an awful thing or something to be ashamed of; that's still an important story to tell, too. I LOVE CROSSDRESSING GIRLS, OKAY.

Date: 2013-12-16 05:25 am (UTC)
alias_sqbr: me cosplaying the bearded dwarf cheery longbottom, titled Expressing my femininity with an axe (femininity)
From: [personal profile] alias_sqbr
I am too tired to articulate my thoughts but yes! This! I love them too :)

Date: 2013-12-16 05:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ceitfianna
I love the idea of a training wheels trope and that completely fits my use of it. I recall that when I first discovered The Lord of the Rings sometime in middle school, I created a self-insert who I think cross-dressed, I know there was definitely one for Newsies. Now it all makes so much more sense, I've also been to a dinner party with lots of wine so not my most coherent but still. Honestly, Becca, you are the best for explaining things in my head that I don't fully understand.

Date: 2013-12-16 06:22 am (UTC)
jinian: (sharp dressed woman)
From: [personal profile] jinian
I LOVE THIS POST, OKAY.

Date: 2013-12-16 08:47 am (UTC)
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)
From: [personal profile] bookblather
Okay, this is much more scholarly and much more awesome than I was expecting. Also, I'm glad that Alanna turned up because I was reading Alanna: The First Adventure when I asked this.

Date: 2013-12-16 02:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] swankyfunk
Have you read Tipping the Velvet by Sarah Waters or seen the BBC adaptation? Definitely recommended!

Date: 2013-12-16 05:27 pm (UTC)
actiaslunaris: Galileo - Utsumi Kaoru resting her head on Yukawa Manabu's shoulder - text: a line-drawn heart (turn the page)
From: [personal profile] actiaslunaris
♥ Having just finished watching You're Beautiful because I'm a sucker for the trope, I heartily enjoyed reading this post. Also, you're one of the few people I've encountered who understands that Dororo is trans* so all my particular love for that.

Date: 2013-12-16 06:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
Yes--because of the experimental factors and pressures, I'm willing to put up with a lot in narrative for the sake of crossdressing girls.

Date: 2013-12-16 09:00 pm (UTC)
thirdblindmouse: Linda Keene finds the news shocking. (shocking news (Shall We Dance))
From: [personal profile] thirdblindmouse
The first week of high school my freshman English teacher taught all of us to hate the word 'liminal'. I'm fairly sure that wasn't what he meant to teach us, but good job all the same, Mr. M.

I must read this Jacky Faber book. It sounds like The True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle with more crossdressing.

Date: 2013-12-17 02:11 am (UTC)
evewithanapple: a woman of genius | <lj user="evewithanapple"</lj> (newsies | hey baby)
From: [personal profile] evewithanapple
Oh man I remember SO MANY CROSSDRESSING NEWSIES OCs back in the day. They always spoke terrible slang, usually dated either Racetrack or Kid Blink (or occasionally Mush) and they were frequently menaced by the Delanceys. Ahh, memories.

Date: 2013-12-17 02:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cest_what
Linked here via pinboard, and I really like this! The idea of non-threatening tropes that can nevertheless take you somewhere more radical, and do it without ever putting you on guard or making you feel like you're reading something virtuously worthy, is really appealing.

Date: 2013-12-17 03:42 am (UTC)
ceitfianna: (Newsies Seize the Day)
From: [personal profile] ceitfianna
Mine always dated Racetrack or sometimes David, I loved Jack but he was taken.

Date: 2013-12-17 11:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] buymeaclue
I just yesterday put in an ILL request for the first of these in audiobook because I heard that the reader is great. EVEN MORE EXCITED NOW.

Love the idea of a training-wheels trope. That makes so much sense!

Date: 2013-12-18 02:47 am (UTC)
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)
From: [personal profile] bookblather
....Iiiiii kinda want to read your thesis now. Anything that close-reads Alanna, man.

Date: 2013-12-20 03:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sandrylene
I second this thought. Not entirely for Alanna, but in general.

Date: 2013-12-21 08:52 pm (UTC)
katta: Photo of Diane from Jake 2.0 with Jake's face showing on the computer monitor behind her, and the text Talk geeky to me. (Default)
From: [personal profile] katta
A bit late to the party, but chiming in to declare my love for crossdressing girls. It started with Skuggan över stenbänken and Dårfinkar & Dönickar and sort of just moved from there.

I think for me, it's largely because I find androgynity and pansexuality attractive as traits. So watching Caroline seduce both Arild and Rosilda in SöS, or watching the Simone-Kattis-Isak triangle unfold in D&D, really started me off on a journey that I'm still on.

It doesn't go just the one way either. I am massively attracted to many crossdressing male characters. And when I say As You Like It at the theater and I couldn't tell whether Celia was played by a man or a woman, it really appealed to me. (Turned out to be a guy.)

Which is all very shallow, and I hope I do have some motivation beyond "ooh, pretty!" But it doesn't come to mind as easily.

Date: 2013-12-23 05:17 am (UTC)
katta: Photo of Diane from Jake 2.0 with Jake's face showing on the computer monitor behind her, and the text Talk geeky to me. (Default)
From: [personal profile] katta
I was nine, so I don't think the attraction was fully conscious, but I do believe it was already there.

Date: 2014-01-07 08:54 pm (UTC)
buymeaclue: (Default)
From: [personal profile] buymeaclue
Two thumbs up!

Date: 2014-01-07 08:58 pm (UTC)
buymeaclue: (Default)
From: [personal profile] buymeaclue
Although I have seriously side-eyed the age group recommendation! I mean, twelve year old me would have loved this and I hope twelve year old not mes are loving it, too! But I don't want to know about it lalala.

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