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1. DUDE HOW MUCH DID I CALL IT?

Okay, so it's Peter who has unconditional love for the whole world instead of Hiro. STILL. Charles Deveaux gets a free pass on verging perilously close to Shati's Book icon because I was still screaming about that. And Mohinder and Molly with the whole "it's my blood that protects her!" thing (hi, literalization!) and Claire's "I already have a family" when the Petrellis are doing that slightly skeevy Petrelli closing in and Hiro trading everything to protect Ando and being faster than Sylar because the life of a loved one was at stake (HI ANDO I AM SO GLAD YOU ARE ALIVE AND AWESOME) and the DLikah family, which was pretty much all set up in the last episode too but whatever awesome (HI DL SO GLAD YOU ARE ALIVE AND AWESOME TOO.) Overall: YAY.

2. I loved Team Take Out Sylar. Admittedly, I also found it kind of hilarious, in a Final Fantasy-style video game way - now Matt uses his +10 Gun Power! Oops, it's deflected! Now Peter takes a swing! Now Niki takes a swing! - but so much better than Peter grimly facing down Sylar mano a mano. So, so much.

But I really wish that either Ando, Audrey, or especially Claire had gotten a turn. (Audrey where aaaaaare you!)

3. I realize this is sacrilege to much of my flist, but if anyone had to die . . . I'm glad it's Nathan. He went out in an awesome and redeemy fashion, his death does not ping any sketchy gender/racial issues, and he's not HRG I mean Noah Bennet (HI NOAH LIVE A LONG LONG LONG TIME FOR ME BECAUSE I LOVE YOU AND YOU ARE FANTASTICALLY AWESOME. ETERNALLY.)

I also hope Candice is alive and around for S2. Also Matt. For an increasing sarcasm-ometer and Clever Use of Skillz, and yet also for continuing to take the Well-Meaning Stupidity Award every time. "He's a bad guy. I'm a cop." Oh, Matt. There is also the fact that Matt and Mohinder as Molly's two dads = HILARITY. As for Sylar . . . on the one hand, in a story-arc way, I am kind of disappointed that he's alive, because it would have been so pleasantly surprising to wrap it all up. On the other hand, in a story-arc way, Sylar and Mohinder never got any kind of wrap-up, and I would have been very disappointed if he had died without that. Also Sylar is fun to watch. So I'm okay with the Symbolic Cockroach of Sylaritude Living On.

And now, summer hiatus. Won't you be fun.

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I said this to John in my LJ, but if Nathan's doing this to make it so Claire doesn't have to kill Peter -- well, he's making it so Peter will kill him.

(I think that is the most hilarious interpretation I've seen yet.)

Well, this is a special case -- Hiro's time antics, visiting Peter on the subway and coming back from the future, change the future. Maybe she has tested them, and it's just that the future's never been messed with before. Or it has, but in such a way that she doesn't think it will be again.

Either way, we have more reason to think that she expects New York leveled and Nathan alive than not.

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*pats Nathan* I'm not saying it's a sensible choice. And . . . now that I think more about it, actually, I'm not sure I like it as a thematic choice - Nathan as Head of the Family, taking on the Bennet role. "You have a plan, right?" Fulfilling His Responsibilities and protecting his fragile teacup daughter's psyche. I mean, I love Bennet, but we're shown pretty clearly through his storyline that this is a bad choice. And Claire should get to be responsible for herself.

(I am sure the explosion - if I may so call it - of Nathan/Peter Final Moments fanfics in coming weeks will support my hypothesis. *cheerful*)

True. So maybe it's Hiro's ability, rather than Isaac's, that makes it so the future is mess-able. Which makes Hiro the savior of humanity! Which is a thing I can live with. :D

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I just don't think it's one Nathan would make. He cares about Claire, but he cares more about Peter; I think sacrificing his life for Peter's makes more sense than sacrificing Peter's emotional health for Claire's. But yeah, re: fragile teacups. On the meta level, at least, Claire and Peter have both been pushed up to the brink of killing and then -- not, and even Hiro apparently didn't succeed in killing Sylar. (Also, Claire's attempted homicide before, though crashing her car with the guy who tried to rape her in it is different from shooting Peter.) I like killing being a Big Thing, so I'm not entirely displeased.

Hiro is totally the savior of humanity.

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- Peter, Claire, Hiro and Mohinder, actually, have all been on the brink of killing someone and then not actually doing it, now I think of it. And I do think that the show thinks of those four as its major characters, at least at this point, so . . . hm. Interesting.

Now I'm trying to think of non-villain characters that we've seen actually succeed in murderous acts in the present. Bennet, DL, Nathan (successful suicide counts!) and Jessica, right? Am I missing anyone?

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Has Peter been on the brink? He hasn't even gotten that close as far as I can remember.

If successful suicide counts, Eden, Peter, and Claire are all in. *g* I don't think Nathan gets included.

Claude's an odd case -- he technically did murder Peter, but it wasn't permanent, and we don't know how sure he was that Peter would survive, and it was really funny. And there's Isaac, who didn't mean to kill Simone, but did mean to kill Peter.

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Though if Nathan is actually dead, Peter will have killed him. I can't believe I forgot that.

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Darnit, I cannot theorize until I know which of them is or isn't alive/dead!

*sulks*

Anyways, I was thinking Sylar for Peter's attempted killing, even if he didn't actually get all that close. And by 'successful' I mean 'the kind of dead that took', so Claire and Peter are out. *grins* (And so is Claude, although there is no way in which I believe he's never killed anyone. Also, he totally gets a free pass for funny.) Eden's in, though, and she's dead (obviously). So is Isaac. Which leaves Bennet and Jessica and DL. Who are all defined pretty significantly in terms of their parenthood . . . hmm.

(Also, apropos of nothing: LOOK TINY OZ)

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Well, even if Nathan is dead, it's a very passive kind of suicide, and we don't see him die, and -- I still don't count him as having successfully killed onscreen. (He was apparently in the Navy, though, and who knows.)

Bennet and Jessica have killed in not-self-defense, and Bennet and DL have killed in self-defense. *randomly splits them*

(OMG TINY OZ!!)

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Fair - and really I do not think I can count Nathan's Navy experience as anything other than repressed desire to join the Village People.

Have we seen Bennet kill in not-self-defense onscreen? I mean, he tried to kill Claude, but that was very clearly less than successful. I don't doubt that he has, but I can't remember if we've actually seen it.

Jessica's killings were pretty not-self-defensetastic, but the line "Everything I've done, I've done for them" is also fairly explicit in terms of the protection-of-family thing. Even if that is really not a good excuse for going on murderous rampages.

(SO SQUISHFACED AND REDHEADED.)

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Oh. Yeah. No. Oh! Becca, Ted's killed. His wife. Not on purpose.

Also, I was thinking ".07%" and the finale for Peter, but he did get to the brink when he dragged Sylar off the stairs with him.

And Jessica kills a lot less than I expect, always. Aside from the desert pile o' corpses, which I think I read somewhere is established as at least semi-self-defense in one of the comics -- there's Matt's client; anyone else who wasn't self-defense?

(SO OZ-LIKE!! OH OZ.)

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Oh yeah! And . . . Ted's dead. Like Isaac. - in fact, exactly like Isaac; they both killed their love interests by accident and then got et by Sylar. Soultwins!

Well, she does kill all those people who are playing poker with Hiro and Ando - that's the one I tend to think of as Jessica's biggest slaughter. Admittedly it's in Hiro-and-Ando defense, but it's not like Jessica knows that.

(EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN OZ.)

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Truth! As a random aside, I totally thought Bennet was a goner when he told Peter his name. I almost wish they'd saved it for when he really does die, assuming he does before the show goes off the air.

Ohhh yeah. I forgot about that! Never mind then.

(INDEED THIS IS TRUE. OMG BECCA I WANT OZ-HAITIAN ROAD TRIP. TO TIBET.)

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I was SO SCARED for Bennet all this episode. Everything - the name and the promise to protect and the saying goodbye to Claire - screamed "HE IS GOING TO DIE" and I am so, so glad that it was a scream of lies.

Maybe he can have an equally symbolic middle name to use when he really does die? Except he NEVER WILL. *proclaims this in Eden-voice*

(ME TOO ME TOO ME TOO. THEY CAN BE LACONIC TOGETHER.

.....THEM AND PARKMAN. FOR BONUS BUFFYESQUE MINDREADING. THE HAITIAN CAN HAVE MOLLY-VIRUS TO BLOCK HIS POWER FOR THE DURATION.)

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Ooh, or he could learn the Haitian's name just before he dies! If he does.

(Matt, to the Haitian: "Is that all you think about?"
The Haitian: "Actually? ...Yes." *flees*)

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- before Bennet dies or before the Haitian dies? NOT THAT EITHER OF THEM SHOULD DIE.

(*cackles*

I want Telepath!Buffy-Peter-Matt fic now. For great mutual headache! With Oz sitting by and "Hmmm"ing.)