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So far, Rosemary Kirstein's Steerswoman books are some of the most amazingly refreshing fantasy/sci-fi novels I've ever read.

Steerswomen, in this book, are basically an Order of Traveling Research Fellows based in what looks like a vaguely medieval-ish society. They bop around, poking at things that interest them and until they've found out as much as they can before going back to home base to record their discoveries; they formulate hypotheses, and ask questions, and they answer them for themselves and for other people. If anybody else refuses to answer a Steerswoman's question, they don't get any more questions answered themselves.

There are also wizards. Steerswomen don't really like wizards, because wizards are notoriously secretive and keep all their methods very hush-hush, and Steerswomen are all "down with hegemony of knowledge! Everyone should have the chance to know all the things!" The feeling is presumably mutual.

Our heroine Rowan's particular research project is some weird blue stones. In the first book, The Steerswoman, she picks up a warrior woman named Bel who comes from a different culture and who happens to have a belt made out of those blue stones. Bel decides that if she's going to be wandering around Rowan's country she might as well do it with Rowan, and they have some clashes of cultural values and work through it because they like each other well enough to be willing to keep an open mind about stuff, and in general start to become awesome lady friends. Also it turns out wizards are trying to kill Rowan because her research is dangerous to them, so that's where the plot comes in. But mostly: realistic research methodology! Respectful cultural negotiation! Thoughtful worldbuilding! Ladyfriends!

And this was great in and of itself, but then I got to the second book, The Outskirter's Secret, which is TWICE AS GOOD. This is the one where in order to pursue her research about the weird blue stones, Rowan has to go with Bel back to her nomadic grasslands culture -- which is not in any way a monolith, which I love, especially when Bel gets really judgy about people who Don't Do Things The Way Bel Does Things -- and spends a lot of time earnestly asking people questions and experiencing culture shock and attempting to come up with theories about the grasslands ecosystem, and Bel meanwhile has been putting pieces together based on Rowan's research and has come up with a plan of her own, and then the stakes suddenly get a lot higher and the book decides to stab you in the heart a few times, because if you came for the research and the ladyfriendship you might as well stay for the impossible moral choices and impending doom I guess.

There are two more books in the series I think, and I'm incredibly excited to read them. It's just -- man, I wish I got to read books all the time where the central focus was a.) the friendship between two women and b.) people acting with intelligent, thoughtful respect towards each other, and their responsibilities, and the world around them. EVERYONE IN THESE BOOKS BEHAVES LIKE ADULTS. Why is this so rare?

Date: 2012-07-03 05:39 pm (UTC)
kate_nepveu: sleeping cat carved in brown wood (Default)
From: [personal profile] kate_nepveu
Eeee Steerswoman books!

Yes, two more, but it's not done yet--Kirstein is still working on them but she is not a fast writer (day job, etc.). They are both totally awesome and IMO better than _The Outskirter's Secret_.

Booklog links--when you read the fourth there's spoilery discussion that will probably interest you.

http://www.steelypips.org/weblog/books/sf_and_fantasy/steerswoman/

Date: 2012-07-03 07:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] opusculasedfera
These are seriously great books! I feel like I should warn you that the next two books will stab you in the heart even more times, but in an awesome way? But they are no less interested in women and friendship and freedom of information and responsibility, despite things going in seriously unexpected directions, which is fantastic. I love Rowan and Bel.

Date: 2012-07-03 07:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] happydork
Oooh, that sounds really shiny! I will check them out. :D

Date: 2012-07-03 07:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kd7sov
Oooh, shiny. *heads over to place a library hold*

Date: 2012-07-03 09:29 pm (UTC)
dragovianknight: Now is the time we panic - NaNoWriMo (Default)
From: [personal profile] dragovianknight
*sads because the first book is apparently not available as a kindle edition*

Date: 2012-07-03 09:43 pm (UTC)
dragovianknight: Now is the time we panic - NaNoWriMo (Default)
From: [personal profile] dragovianknight
Aha! *goes to check* Nuuuuu, still just listed as paperback. :(

Date: 2012-07-03 09:57 pm (UTC)
dragovianknight: Now is the time we panic - NaNoWriMo (Default)
From: [personal profile] dragovianknight
Rural library in a rural county...I very much doubt they'll have it. :(

Date: 2012-07-03 10:14 pm (UTC)
dragovianknight: Now is the time we panic - NaNoWriMo (Default)
From: [personal profile] dragovianknight
Thank you. *hates when the universe fails to yield to her technological whims*

Date: 2012-07-03 11:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jinian
These are THE BEST, and also BETTER THAN THAT. You will be frustrated by the not-yet-an-ending, but do please proceed to having your mind blown in the moment!

Date: 2012-07-04 01:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] batyatoon
Oh man CLEARLY I HAVE TO READ THESE.

Can I has borrowings?

Date: 2012-07-04 05:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] minkhollow
...*_____*
Why do I not have a library card here?

Date: 2012-07-04 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Libraries often take requests to buy something.

Date: 2012-07-05 03:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewickedlady
Oooh, that sounds really, really interesting. Are those some you own? Can I steal 'em? :D I can give you other books in exchange! HELLO BOOK FRIEND.

Date: 2012-07-05 03:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewickedlady
IT WOULD HELP IF I READ REPLIES BEFORE REPLYING, HUH?

To the LIBRARY with me!

Date: 2012-07-05 04:02 pm (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
I have them on loan from Becca! But it's a library copy she can't renew, so I'm not sure the two of us will both manage to read the two-books-in-one copy before it has to be returned...

Date: 2012-07-05 04:10 pm (UTC)
thewickedlady: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thewickedlady
I just requested it from the library here, and they do have several copies! :D! So, I'll grab it when they let me know it is ready.

Date: 2012-08-28 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dharmavati
Oh wow, highly relevant to my interests!

Date: 2012-09-04 04:29 am (UTC)
nextian: Rocky from Lackadaisy going OMG YAY! (omgyay)
From: [personal profile] nextian
Ahhhhh, I'm on page 480 of Steerswoman's Road and I'm going to die!! WE HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED THE IMPOSSIBLE CHOICES YET. Or I mean. I can kind of see the outlines of them looming on the horizon. But still.

This is some of the best worldbuilding I've ever happily swum through, on top of all the ways the writing is superb, I mean, damn. I am having the time of my life being Rowan about Rowan's own conclusions about what's happening the world. If you know what I mean?? Thank you so much for recommending these.

SPOILERS BELOW

Date: 2012-09-04 04:01 pm (UTC)
nextian: Yankumi from Gokusen runs down a street, her shadow behind her. (walk tall)
From: [personal profile] nextian
I FINISHED THE SECOND BOOK LAST NIGHT I'VE GOT THE OTHER TWO ON LIBRARY ORDER

OH MY GODDDDDDDD

THIS MORNING I WOKE UP TO A RESERVOIR DOGS GIFSET

AND REALIZED I WAS COMPARING IT TO A POSTAPOCALYPTIC SCIFI/FANTASY NOVEL ABOUT MUTUAL RESPONSIBILITY AND MODES OF INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY AND ITS GUTPUNCH

UNFAVORABLY

I

BUT

I

RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THE FORGIVENESS. RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HUGGING IT OUT.

uggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it's so good and the clues are all there in the way she tells the story, like, the way you're distracted by the progress of the romance and how it's just ever so slightly truncated so you take the emotional time to decide whether or not you're down with it, and you put all the little weirdnesses in his character down to the idea that she's writing a Love Interest, and in the meantime she's telegraphing HE'S A WIZARD'S MAN!!! in huge capital letters. Okay maybe that was just me. but wow. I would love to speculate about what his behavior means about the setting but you know too much now, you cannot confirm or deny! You monster.

ROUTINE BIOFORM MAINTENANCE

And I love what an adult everyone is about it and how that in no way makes anything better at all.

Re: SPOILERS BELOW

Date: 2012-09-04 09:28 pm (UTC)
nextian: From below, a woman and a flock of birds. (Default)
From: [personal profile] nextian
Oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes. The difference between being like "ha ha! I read Dragonsdawn something like eight hundred times as a child!* I know ALL ABOUT terraforming with intermediary forms!" as on page one, and the passage of the tornado is just... Holy everliving fuck. Also the scale difference between "oh there's a satellite and it crashed, awesome" and the house-sized, incomprehensible monster embedded in Dust Ridge, which might as well be the goddamn Statue of Liberty from Planet of the Apes for all the good it does Rowan... and the realization that terraforming can maybe proceed for a couple more cycles while the Eastern Guidestar is still up but then it's going to stop and the planet is going to win and all of these people and their lives are going to end because of one asshole (or! powerhungry AI or colonial government terminating the failed experiment a la Running Out of Time, which I think is a strong possibility based on the way Corwin talked about getting apprentices from "his own people" and the way that Fletcher talked about getting into "logistics" omggggggggggggg)

*I'm actually fairly sure, tangentially, that I read a book with this exact world-setup--razorsharp grass in multiple colors or varieties, and there's the normal kind and then the creepy alien kind and the intermediary, terraforming kind. But I can't tell if this is a real memory, or a conflation of Grass by Sheri S. Tepper and Lusitania from the Ender books.

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