skygiants: Princess Tutu, facing darkness with a green light in the distance (in the wrong story)
[personal profile] skygiants
So in between Heyers I've been reading the Memoirs of Vidocq, who as you all probably know is the French escape artist/policeman/spy who served as the inspiration for both Valjean and Javert.

If this is the reason you are reading the book, as I was, the first third of the memoirs are kind of less interesting; it's basically a chronicle of Roguish Young Vidocq joining the army, deserting from the army, changing his name, seducing ladies, joining the army again, fighting some duels, seducing more ladies, lather, rinse, repeat. Try and imagine Javert or Valjean in this position if you like, but if you can, your imagination is better than mine. (Although it is sort of interesting from a historical perspective, in that two things were apparently REALLY EASY in post-revolutionary France: a.) joining an army regiment under a fake name, because everything was so confused that nobody could keep track, and b.) pretending to be an aristocrat who left behind a secret hoard of pre-Revolution money before fleeing, which was every con artist's favorite game.)

Anyway, eventually he gets thrown in prison, and escapes a bunch of times -- most memorably, cross-dressed as a NUN -- and then he gets thrown in the galleys and has an epic "OH SHIT" realization and escapes some more and attempts to go straight, only to get repeatedly recognized by old prison buddies going "hey hey VIDOCQ buddy, let's commit some crime, you in? >:D" to which Vidocq will answer ". . . . sure!" and then attempt to skedaddle in the opposite direction.

Finally he decides his only choice is not only to go straight, but to turn himself in to the Paris police as a spy. Which means that now, every time someone goes "hey hey Vidocq buddy, let's commit some crime, you in? >:D" Vidocq will go "SURE!" and then ensure that they all get caught at the MOST DRAMATIC POSSIBLE MOMENT. Vidocq has no qualms whatsoever about assuring his criminal friends that they have nothing to fear from him and then turning around and stabbing them directly in the back; his general attitude is "if you're stupid enough to get caught, you completely deserve it."

In case you wonder where Hugo got Javert's sense of drama: it's direct from Vidocq, man. It is from Vidocq in SPADES. However, Vidocq is better at it than Javert, because Javert does not lie, and Vidocq is more than happy to lie repeatedly for a good cause. Some particularly notable exploits of Vidocq:

- the time that he charged in to arrest a criminal whose wife was in the middle of giving birth; Vidocq decides he can't go get a midwife in case the guy escapes, and then calmly DELIVERS THE BABY HIMSELF. They name him the godfather before he hands the guy off to prison
- that time he spent like SIX MONTHS in jail in disguise as a German peasant just so he could become BFF with a suspect so that he could dramatically arrest him as soon as he got out
- the time he spent three hours listening to a guy ranting about about how he would buy a drink for anyone who would show him to Vidocq and let him punch him out, and then calmly arrested him and told him that he owed him, Vidocq, SO MANY DRINKS
- the time that he was in disguise and hanging out with a band of criminals that he was going to arrest later:
CRIMINALS: We're bored! Let's put on . . . a play!
VIDOCQ: What play?
CRIMINALS: Let's play "that super jerk spy Vidocq is a huge tool!" But who's gonna be Vidocq?
VIDOCQ: OOH OOH ME ME ME PLEASE LET ME PLAY VIDOCQ >:D >:D >:D

And then of course four hours later he arrested them all, and was like, "Yeah, you're probably mad about that, but look -- at least you get to tell all your criminal buddies the story of the time Vidocq played Vidocq, and that's TOTALLY WORTH IT, right?" Vidocq, I hate to break it to you, but that is probably not as worth it to them as it is to you.

However, the best bit of the book by far is not about Vidocq at all, but about his acquaintance Sophie the Dashing Lady Thief. Vidocq eventually catches Sophie, of course, but she's very chill about it, which, Vidocq casually explains, is because she's a BIG OL' SAPPHO and is A-OK with hanging out in the lesbian prison scene. Then he tells the story about the time her girlfriend got locked up and Sophie got herself denounced so they wouldn't have to be separated. Apparently, according to Vidocq, this happens ALL THE TIME in the criminal Parisian lesbian underworld. WHICH IS A THING. So now you know.

(Dashing lesbian lady thieves: as always, the best gift a book can give me. Historically accurate dashing lesbian lady thieves, even better!)

Date: 2013-03-22 05:21 pm (UTC)
ladysingsthe: (avatar: MAYBE IT'S FRIENDLY)
From: [personal profile] ladysingsthe
Everything about this is amazing.

Date: 2013-03-22 05:28 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
For some reason I had misremembered that de Valera in Jordan's Michael Collins film is dressed as a nun when he escapes (with help). De Valera is instead dressed as a prostitute in the film. Apologies for my brain; carry on.

...What percentage of the book is about Sophie? Not that I need more things to read.
Edited Date: 2013-03-22 05:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-03-22 05:42 pm (UTC)
rymenhild: Manuscript page from British Library MS Harley 913 (Default)
From: [personal profile] rymenhild
These pages would be relevant to my interests as well.

Date: 2013-03-22 05:57 pm (UTC)
cahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cahn
...this is clearly made of awesome. I think you may have pointed me at what to do with all my leftover Les Mis feels now that I've finished the book!

(and oh, yeah, I can totally see Javert doing some of those DRAMATIC things...)

Date: 2013-03-22 06:25 pm (UTC)
sandrylene: Scott Pilgrim generator based pic of me (Default)
From: [personal profile] sandrylene
Oh man, this is amazing and happy-making. :D

Date: 2013-03-22 06:28 pm (UTC)
brooms: (tissues)
From: [personal profile] brooms
those were kinda my thoughts reading this post.

like. i was looking at this gentleman's wiki page (i'd never heard of him!), and it goes, "Vidocq is considered to be the father of modern criminology[1][2] and of the French police department.[3] " ... and of police procedurals in spirit, for sure.

Date: 2013-03-22 06:43 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
Thanks! I will pass on the PDF pages, but I have added you on Tumblr (TBH, I barely ever remember to skim it).

Date: 2013-03-22 07:00 pm (UTC)
ladysingsthe: (utena: she's kind of weird)
From: [personal profile] ladysingsthe
Oh my God I want this so bad.

WITH LESBIAN LADY CRIMINALS oh God don't let me do fantasy casting and soundtrack.

Date: 2013-03-22 07:41 pm (UTC)
elsane: (waterloo)
From: [personal profile] elsane
I think the worst thing about getting into Les Miserables is that now I desperately want to take modern Korean history classes and read All The Books about Ninteenth Century France Ever and spend all my time pretending to be a srs historical novelist.

You're really not helping. >:(

Date: 2013-03-22 07:43 pm (UTC)
elsane: illustration of the bastille elephant (bastille elephant)
From: [personal profile] elsane
(Also, I strongly feel that "The likely even further fictionalized exploits of Vidocq" should be a Yuletide fandom.)

Date: 2013-03-22 07:51 pm (UTC)
imperfect_tense: (Default)
From: [personal profile] imperfect_tense
Daaamn, this sounds /awesome/!

Date: 2013-03-22 08:39 pm (UTC)
gramarye1971: the Philosopher's Stone from the first HP movie, with the text 'Harry Potter and the JELL-O Jiggler OF DOOM' (HP: Jello)
From: [personal profile] gramarye1971
*pokes head into conversation*

I can think of one or two recent French crime dramas, but they're all modern police procedurals or occasionally remakes of other countries' police procedurals. (I think there's one Italian procedural series that's been revamped in both French and German, with mostly identical plots of each episode.) But I can't get enough of historical crime dramas, so I would totally watch a show all about Vidocq. And it could join my Brother Cadfael and Anno 1790 DVDs, in the style of former soldiers who become cops/forensic scientists FOR GREAT JUSTICE AND OCCASIONAL LOLS!

Date: 2013-03-22 10:44 pm (UTC)
troisroyaumes: Painting of a duck, with the hanzi for "summer" in the top left (Default)
From: [personal profile] troisroyaumes
the criminal Parisian lesbian underworld.

I want to read a whole series about this now! *_*

Date: 2013-03-23 01:37 am (UTC)
carmarthen: a baaaaaby plesiosaur (Default)
From: [personal profile] carmarthen
Oh, oh, THIS EXISTS.

Let me find the link!

http://archiveofourown.org/works/222664 (sequel to http://archiveofourown.org/works/222660)

Possible selling point (?): the baby is Cosette's!

Date: 2013-03-23 01:37 am (UTC)
carmarthen: a baaaaaby plesiosaur (Default)
From: [personal profile] carmarthen
I AM REQUESTING VIDOCQ FOR YULETIDE.

I...should probably read his memoirs and learn to write casefic so I can offer Vidocq for Yuletide...

Date: 2013-03-23 01:38 am (UTC)
carmarthen: a baaaaaby plesiosaur (Default)
From: [personal profile] carmarthen
Oh my god I have to read this. Vidocq is so amazing.

(Does he talk in detail about the escape from Toulon?)

Date: 2013-03-23 02:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rushthatspeaks
I am always so glad to see more people reading Vidocq! Because dude was HARDCORE.

My personal Yuletide RPF desire is 'in which Vidocq, in some circumstance involving drag, winds up in a magically-time-jump-caused swordfight with Benvenuto Cellini; I don't care which one is in drag, either or both is equally plausible; bonus points for makeouts'. Somehow I have never felt quite up to doing the research to write it myself.

Date: 2013-03-23 02:38 am (UTC)
carmarthen: a baaaaaby plesiosaur (Default)
From: [personal profile] carmarthen
Blargh. I guess I will see if the uni library has it, but that was the impression I was getting.

I think I came across some other sources that suggested people were always trying to escape, but usually via forged papers and whatnot. I think Vidocq is probably not quite typical...

Date: 2013-03-23 02:53 am (UTC)
carmarthen: a baaaaaby plesiosaur (Default)
From: [personal profile] carmarthen
Well, I still have access to interlibrary loan, if I read fast. I'd rather read it in paper...I just need to figure out if there's more than one translation and stuff.

Date: 2013-03-23 03:51 am (UTC)
gramarye1971: Antique map of Europe with 'Europe: Where the History Comes From" text superimposed (European History)
From: [personal profile] gramarye1971
Hee! In Anno 1790, the Swedish army-surgeon-turned-police-inspector totally has a long-suffering assistant who sticks around with him for awkward reasons of 'you saved my life during the war so I owe you one but I still think you're a big weirdo who is way too into this crime-solving thing'. So that would certainly work!

Date: 2013-03-23 03:07 pm (UTC)
dorothean: detail of painting of Gandalf, Frodo, and Gimli at the Gates of Moria, trying to figure out how to open them (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorothean
Ohhh I love Vidocq! I started reading his memoirs last fall but I got bogged down in the deserting-and-rejoining-the-military part. (I was also trying to take notes for some reason, which was a mistake. I think I should have just lain back and let Vidocq happen to me.)

I don't think I had given you access yet when I wrote about it -- here's the link. The comments are probably the best part.

Date: 2013-03-24 01:04 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
WOWWWW oh dude clearly I need to read Vidocq's memoirs!

(and it looks like my local library might even have a copy? SWEET.)

Date: 2013-03-24 04:57 pm (UTC)
dorothean: detail of painting of Gandalf, Frodo, and Gimli at the Gates of Moria, trying to figure out how to open them (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorothean
I interpreted the preface as saying that the entire early part of Vidocq's life before he reformed (or at least began reforming and relapsing?) was tampered with, but since I didn't read very far I'm not sure if that's confirmed.

Date: 2013-04-03 01:15 am (UTC)
sophia_sol: photo of a 19th century ivory carving of a fat bird (Default)
From: [personal profile] sophia_sol
Rereading your post about Vidocq, as one does (:D), and OH OH OH IT IS SOPHIE who is involved in the lesbian prison scene! I did get to meet Sophie briefly in my tragic abridgement and thought she and her friend seemed AWESOME and now I am even more annoyed at Edwin Gile Rich. Hmph.

(I can also tell you that the Edwin Gile Rich CUT THE EPISODE WITH THE PUTTING ON A PLAY ABOUT VIDOCQ WHERE VIDOCQ PLAYED VIDOCQ, what, that is such a terrible choice of things to cut! )
injygo: Etching of a prisoner kneeling to pray in the Panopticon (Default)
From: [personal profile] injygo
Vidocq says that the tampered part is from the beginning up until he becomes a privateer: around the 20th chapter, somewhere in the 2nd volume, a while before he becomes an informer. As it happens, all of the parts where he steals his parents' money and then goes to ask his mother for protection are in that segment.

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