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I didn't deliberately read up on seventeenth-century English history history in preparation for A Skinful of Shadows; it was just a fortunate coincidence that I'd just finished Aphra Behn: A Secret Life right beforehand (thanks to [personal profile] saramily, who came into possession of the book and shoved it into my hands.)

The thing about the English Civil War and everything that surrounds it is that it's remarkably difficult to pick a team, from the modern perspective. On the one side, you've got Puritans and repressive morality and NO PLAYS OR GOOD TIMES FOR ANYONE, but also democracy and egalitarianism and a rejection of the divine right of kings and the aristocracy! On the other side, you've got GLORY IN THE DIVINELY ORDAINED KING AND THE PERFECTION OF THE ESTABLISHED SOCIAL ORDER, but also people can have a good time every once in a while and make sex jokes if they feel like it.

Anyway, one fact that seems pretty certain about Aphra Behn is that she grew up during the Interregnum and wrote during the Restoration, and was very much on Team Divine Kings Are Great. Would Puritans let a woman write saucy plays for the stage? NO SIRREE, NOT AT ALL, three cheers for the monarchy and the dissolute aristocracy!

There aren't all that many facts that are certain about Aphra Behn, especially her early years -- the first several chapters of this book involve a lot of posed hypotheticals about who she might have been, how she might have got her start, and who might have recruited her into the spying business. It does seem fairly certain she was a spy: code name Astrea, Agent 160. (Me, to [personal profile] aamcnamara, after seeing Or last month: "I don't know that I buy all that Agent 160 business, there's no way that was something they did in the 1660s!" I apologize for doubting you, Liz Duffy Adams.)

Admittedly she was the kind of spy who spent most of her spy mission stuck in a hotel in Antwerp writing irritated letters back to King Charles' intelligence bureaucracy, explaining that she would happily continue with her spying mission and do all the things they wished her to do if only they would send her enough money to PAY HER DANG HOTEL BILL. (They did not.)

Besides her unpaid expense reports, most of what is known about Aphra Behn comes from her context and her publications, and the things she wrote in them -- only some of which can absolutely definitively be traced to her at all; several of her short stories and novellas are disputed, including one of the ones I found most interesting, "Love-Letters Between A Nobleman And His Sister." This early three-volume novel is extremely thinly-veiled RPF about a wildly trashy historical trial involving King Charles' illegitimate son, his best friend, the best friend's wife, and the best friend's sister-in-law. All of these people then went on to be involved in a major rebellion, which the second and third volume of "Love-Letters" cheerfully fictionalizes basically as it was happening, in the real world.

One of the first English novels ever written by a woman [if it was indeed written by Aphra Behn], and arguably the first novel written EVER, and it's basically one of Chuck Tingle's political satires. This is kind of amazing to me.

OK, but back to things we think we're fairly sure we do know about Aphra Behn! She wrote a lot about herself talking, and about men judging her for how much she talked; she wrote a lot of things that were extremely homoerotic; she also wrote a lot about impotence; she was often short on money; she cheerfully stole other people's plots, then got mad when people accused her of stealing other people's plots; she rarely wrote anything that was traditionally romantic, and most of her work seems to have an extremely wicked bite to it. She did not read Latin, which did not stop her from contributing to volumes of translations of things from Latin. She was almost certainly not a member of the nobility, but she believed in divine right, and divine order, and divine King Charles, even though it seems likely from her writing that she did not believe personally in religion, or God, and the King probably never did pay her bills. An extremely interesting and contradictory person, living in an interesting and contradictory time.

And now I think I need to go find a good biography of Nell Gwyn - she's barely relevant to this biography (Aphra Behn dedicated a play to her, but there's no other information available about their relationship) and yet Janet Todd cannot resist throwing in a couple of her favorite historical Nell Gwyn one-liners and they're all SO GOOD.

Date: 2017-10-19 12:56 am (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Well, in Charles' defense, he might well have paid her if he had more money. Which he didn't. Which irked him.

Date: 2017-10-19 02:56 am (UTC)
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)
From: [personal profile] bookblather
Did the book include the "Pray, good people, be civil. I am the Protestant whore" line? Because IMO that's Nell Gwyn's best one-liner ever.

Date: 2017-10-19 03:29 am (UTC)
hokuton_punch: (bodleian library books)
From: [personal profile] hokuton_punch
This sounds amazing. :D

Date: 2017-10-19 03:53 am (UTC)
starlady: Raven on a MacBook (Default)
From: [personal profile] starlady
Aw, come on, Murasaki Shikibu clearly wrote the first novel.

This is interesting, because my collected volumes of Aphra Behn's plays are much less equivocal about what is known about her life.

Date: 2017-10-20 04:02 am (UTC)
starlady: Raven on a MacBook (Default)
From: [personal profile] starlady
Always gotta stan for Lady Murasaki. :D

I mean, I read those plays years ago and they're in storage, but my memory is that they basically present all the stuff you said was unclear as "yup, totally happened!," especially some of her authorship claims.

Date: 2017-10-19 04:35 am (UTC)
flemmings: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flemmings
Do you know that British basic text, 1066 and All That? If not, time to trot out Sellar and Yeatman's classic line on the Civil War: "the Cavaliers (Wrong but Wromantic) and the Roundheads (Right but Repulsive)."

Date: 2017-10-19 08:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vass
I was about to say the same thing!

Date: 2017-10-19 07:13 pm (UTC)
happydork: A graph-theoretic tree in the shape of a dog, with the caption "Tree (with bark)" (Default)
From: [personal profile] happydork
Haha me too! :D

Date: 2017-10-19 05:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
While working at two different movie studios I tried to interest them in a movie about Aphra Behn, for which I would of course write the screenplay. "Like Shakespeare in Love, but the protagonist is a woman SPY." Needless to say no one was interested.
Edited Date: 2017-10-19 05:00 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-19 06:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
They did a revival of The Rover at the Mermaid in the late 80s or very early 90s, with Jeremy Irons playing the title role, Hugh Quarshie playing his upright and honourable best friend, and Imogen Stubbs playing the Rover's love interest (also Stephanie Beecham playing a very expensive courtesan). It was all set on a Caribbean island during Mardi Gras, with the main characters Royalists exiled during the interregnum and was hilarious. The best bit was how it subverted expectations; for example, when Hugh Quarshie's character caught his beloved underneath the Rover in a dark lane at night he immediately went "I apologise for my appalling friend; do you want me to punch him for you?" rather than wasting even a second doing a Claudio about it.

Date: 2017-10-19 06:42 am (UTC)
legionseagle: Lai Choi San (Default)
From: [personal profile] legionseagle
That movie sounds as if it would have been wonderful. Have you read Diana Norton's The Vizard Mask which is a historical romp about a woman who comes back from New England to the Old Country in the 1660s to discover her aunt (and only living relative) is running a brothel, and who ends up in debtors' prison with Aphra Behn?
Edited Date: 2017-10-19 06:44 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-19 10:02 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
APHRA <333

-- oooh possibility of Aphra/Nell historical RPF! Maybe for next Yuletide....

Date: 2017-10-20 04:23 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
There can ALWAYS be more historical femslash, y/y?

Date: 2017-10-19 02:42 pm (UTC)
pedanther: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pedanther
The main thing I'm familiar with Aphra Behn from is "The Mazarinette and the Musketeer", which you might enjoy if you haven't encountered it already.

(One thing that I enjoyed, apart from the story itself, was the historical note at the beginning, in which the author apologizes for having bent history slightly in order that all the awesome historical women in the story might be in the same place at the same time. The transgression confessed to is considerably less than the amount of damage Dumas did to history in The Three Musketeers without ever thinking to apologize for it.)
Edited (typo) Date: 2017-10-19 02:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-20 04:34 am (UTC)
pedanther: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pedanther
I should clarify that "The Mazarinette and the Musketeer" is not, as I understand it, an Alpennia book, it's just by the same author.

(On the other hand, I haven't read any of the Alpennia books yet either, so I don't know for sure that they don't feature Aphra Behn.)

Date: 2017-10-20 04:03 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
Behn hasn't appeared so far in Alpennia. I'd be surprised, given they're set not long after the Napoleonic Wars.
Edited (clarity) Date: 2017-10-20 04:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-19 03:29 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
Wait, authorship of Love-Letters is disputed? When did that happen?

I actually prefer Behn's poetry to her plays and prose, possibly not so oddly enough. She's ... very Restotation, what with works like The Disappointment (which, alas, turns out to be an adaptation of a French poem -- the original was from the male POV, and goes on with more winging at the end) and To the Fair Clarinda, Who Made Love to Me.
Edited (punctuation fail) Date: 2017-10-19 03:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-10-20 04:01 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (greek poetry is sexy)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
Because ... anobymous is a valid alternate spelling? Meh.

Behn takes the femslash in To the Fair Clarinda exactly as far as she can get away with before backing off with a wave to due convention. It's glorious coding.

(I assume you know the famous contemporary poem about wearing women's underwear on your head?) (Yes, I know, at the time it meant a sash. IT LOOKS LIKE UNDERWEAR WHERE I'M SITTING.)

(And then there's Herrick's tentacle porn.)

(I love 17th century smut verse.)

Date: 2017-10-19 05:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raven
This is so interesting, I knew none of it! Also I do love 1066 And All That, which summarises the entire war with "Cavaliers: Wrong But Wromantic; Roundheads: Right But Repulsive".

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