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[skygiants]

Meme thieving time!

Name a fandom, and I'll give you the scoop on at least three of my unpopular opinions related to that fandom.

I think you guys can guess pretty well what I know, and if I don't know the fandom, I will totally make some up. John Sheppard does not love Rodney; his true love is a piece of cheese!

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[kiarasayre.livejournal.com]

Princess Tutu! (Are there any unpopular opinions in that fandom? I mean, my experience has been lurking, but it seems to be pretty friendly and snugly.)

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[skygiants]

From my experience thus far the Princess Tutu LJ comm has been kind of amazingly wankless - well, maybe not amazingly given its relatively small size, but friendly and snugglyness does seem to be the norm.

Uh, so anyway I will give some opinions! Possibly they will be disagreed with by somebody . . .?

1. Rue is an awesome and fascinating character! This is not an opinion I have ever really seen someone disagree with, although I understand that there are a lot of Rue-bashing fics out there somewhere, which makes me very sad. Fortunately they're not in my corner of the internet and therefore I can pretend they don't exist.

2. However, I also believe that post-canon Rue and Mytho is in no way a happy-ever-after kind of relationship. I mean, the series pretty explicitly says that Mytho still has raven's blood hanging out in his veins at the end, and Rue obviously does too. Put two raven-infected people together to form a support group, and what you are probably going to get is a lot of really unhealthy codependence and emotional abuse. Which is not to say I don't ship it, because I totally do - I kind of think the fact that it's so messed up makes it extra interesting to consider.

3. But my secret confession is that even though I totally ship Rue/Mytho, and also think postseries Pique/Autor would be awesome, I kind of ship Rue/Autor even though I can't see how it would ever actually work.

4. Pique is the sanest person in Kinkan Town.

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[blacksheep91.livejournal.com]

2. Part of me finds that rather badass, and also calls to mind many potentially crazy shenanigans~

3. You're probably not the first to think that. (Not that I ship Mytho/Fakir or Ahiru/Rue a little bit. Because I don't. ......*cough* Nope. >_>; *whistles*)

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[skygiants]

2. I have to admit, I occasionally have a little bit of a thing for crazy, ridiculous mutually destructive relationships. >.> One of these days I will make a post about it!

3. Oh, dude, I ship them all. OT4! Add in Autor and it makes OT5! I just didn't think shipping Mytho/Fakir or Ahiru/Rue was that unpopular. :D

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[blacksheep91.livejournal.com]

2. Bet you could get some wicked fic out of it ^-^

3. .................

*explodes* OT5 IS LOVE!!!1!!11

...*cough*

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[web-of.livejournal.com]

2. It always confuses me when people say theirs was this perfect happily-ever-after situation. I've always thought of their ending as somewhat bittersweet; they have each other, but each other may not be the thing that both of them really need. If that made sense at all.

3. Autor/Rue is one of my guiltier guilty-pleasure ships.

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[skygiants]

What they both really need is a lot of therapy! Sadly this seems like it will be hard to come by in the world of the story . . . .

Princess Tutu turns me into such a multishipping lunatic. It is very hard!

[oneechan19.livejournal.com]

Howl's Flying Castle!

[skygiants]

I don't even think this has enough of a fandom to have opinions that are unpopular!

1. What makes Howl and Sophie work as a couple is that they are both flawed, difficult people. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but Miyazaki certainly doesn't seem to be a fan of it. /obligatory movie bitching

2. I don't think Megan is all that bad! I think she is probably shown to her greatest disadvantage when she's interacting with Howl, because of their personality types, and also we only see her through Sophie's eyes and Sophie is biased. But as an occasionally-exasperated older sister myself I can sympathize with her. I would probably be annoyed if my little brother moved to fantasyland without telling me too.

3. A lot of people don't like Castle in the Sky as well as Howl's Moving Castle; I agree that it's not quite as good, but I enjoy it almost as much. Cranky genie Howl! Abdullah thinking Sophie is a pain! PRINCE JUSTIN/BEATRICE, which is THE BEST OTP!

[oneechan19.livejournal.com]

I totally just realized that I put "flying" instead of "moving". I can't believe I did that. *facepalms at self*

If my younger brother moved to fantasyland without telling me, I would totally kick his butt for not taking me with him.

[skygiants]

ME TOO, for serious. Little brothers are jerks. >:O

[ryanitenebrae.livejournal.com]

^^ Avatar: The Last Airbender?

[skygiants]

Ooh, I can do unpopular opinions for this one!

1. I don't actually ship Katara with anyone in the series, and I certainly don't feel the need to join one side or the other of the Great Katara/Aang vs. Katara/Zuko debate. She's thirteen or fourteen and about to become the super-hot heroine of the world; she has plenty of time to meet other guys! Or go on a nice low-pressure date with Haru and his 'stache or something. I like Zuko/Mai, and if I ship Aang with anyone it's pigtails girl from the Oracle episode.

2. I LOVE MAI. I also love Ty Lee but I feel like that is less unpopular? I think they are both great characters and among my favorites in the series, and I wish that we'd seen more of them in the buildup to the finale.

3. Relatedly: it is my firm opinion that the Boiling Rock duology are the best episodes of the series. Definitely better than the finale, which I loved, of course, because it was THE AVATAR FINALE, but thought was actually kind of crammed and didn't address some of the stuff I wanted it to.

4. Ursa is a lot more than Zuko's wonderful loving mother. For a start, she's one of very few people in the series that we know has actually killed - and, more than that, murdered in cold blood. Killing in the Avatarverse is a big deal, and to me that implies a level of moral ambiguity and stone cold badassery that I find really interesting and can't remember ever seeing anyone talk about.

[futuresoon.livejournal.com]

I think you need to make something up about Hetalia. (And John Sheppard does love a piece of cheese. Its name is Goudette, and they're having a commitment ceremony this August.)

[skygiants]

(I KNOW, RIGHT? Their love is so pure and true! If possibly a bit smelly.)

Okay, here are my DEEPLY CONSIDERED opinions:

1. Australia/Canada is clearly OTP! As far as I know Australia has not yet appeared in the strips, but MAYBE that is just because Australia is too busy pining for Canada? It is what I believe!

2. Sweden has never thought to mention to anyone that Sweden is actually a cross-dressed lady, which in no way diminishes Sweden's tremendous badassery. What, as far as I know there is no evidence against this!

3. England only loves America for his tiny foul-mouthed alien, who is obviously THE BEST character in the series.

(4. If I were doing serious opinions here, I would mention how much it troubles me that as far as I know canon completely ignores Africa, South America, and South/southeast Asia. Fortunately I am not doing serious opinions!)

[futuresoon.livejournal.com]

Australia has a character design! (And a koala.) So someday he might appear in a strip, someday...



Given that we've seen Sweden shirtless, there actually is evidence against that, but maybe he's just really really good at binding, idk. Oddly, I think that might make Finland even more scared of him...

Tony is superior to all! The rest of the characters are terrified of him and do whatever he says. This is trufax.

(Canon does give us Seychelles, who is a tiny African island, but she doesn't show up much at all, it's true. Although apparently in the video game, which she is the star of, she belongs to a class full of other black kids? And you are right about there being no South America or South/southeast Asia. But I did find one really good fic about various made-up-by-the-author African Nations, so at least there is that?)

[skygiants]

I KNEW IT.

IT'S POSSIBLE OKAY. Maybe Sweden also just kind of assumes Finland is a girl as well, and that is why Sweden keeps calling Finland 'wife'! :D

(:O . . . wow. I am kind of in awe of this new information. But that is cool! I am glad that fandom is at least addressing this a little - and it's true that Hetalia does seem to have an awesome fandom, from the very admittedly limited amounts I have read.)

[scifantasy.livejournal.com]

CANADA: "Don't pine for me, Australia..."

[skygiants]

Australia scans really terribly to Argentina. :O

[rymenhild.livejournal.com]

Let me see...

Georgette Heyer.

[skygiants]

Is there even a Georgette Heyer fandom? I guess I can fill this out with Do Not Ships . . .

1. The Grand Sophy: I don't ship Sophy/Charles! Not even a little bit. Actually I kind of ship Sophy/Lord Charlbury, even though their elopement is a total fake. I also do not ship Richard/Pen except in a platonic way.

2. Robin from The Masqueraders is really entertaining, but he's also kind of a jerk. Although Prudence's awesome of course makes up for this.

3. I've seen Venetia described often as one of her best, but I'm really not nearly as fond of it as I am of most of her others that I've read.

4. You can never have too many mischievous/bumbling/idiotic/scheming/name your descriptor Georgette Heyer little brothers. This is probably not actually an unpopular opinion at all, but.

[rymenhild.livejournal.com]

1. I can definitely see that. Sophy needs to remain an independent woman, arranging everyone's lives around her, for the rest of her life! She'll make a TERRIFYING maiden aunt.

2. Well, yes. grondfic has written a long sequence slashing Robin (after his marriage!) with a mixed-race homosexual spy (I think) from the eighteenth-century BBC costume drama City of Vice, and there is lots of Robin being a jerk. In drag.

3. I do like Venetia very much, for two main reasons: (a) Venetia and Damerel, unlike the great majority of Heyer couples, actually have sexual tension. (b) Aubrey: the brilliant/sarcastic/eccentric/awesome Georgette Heyer little brother.

I just read Unknown Ajax and was disappointed by it. Oh well.

[skygiants]

1. Exactly! And she will have hordes of suitors until she is eighty and go on cheerfully arranging their marriages to other people. Possibly she should also become queen of a small country?

2. . . . okay, that sounds kind of awesome. *_*

3. Those are good reasons! And I do love Aubrey. I didn't dislike Venetia, but it didn't stick in my mind as much - and I think the side subplots were not ridiculous enough for my taste.

. . . which is probably one of the main reasons I really did like Unknown Ajax. Eccentric/mischievous Georgette Heyer little brother and also, SMUGGLERS! Not, however, much sexual tension really.

[rymenhild.livejournal.com]

Serving Tremaine (http://grondfic.livejournal.com/58718.html): I'm sending you to the last chapter, which has links to all of the previous chapters.

[skygiants]

Thank you! :D

[blacksheep91.livejournal.com]

Lets go a little old school: Harry Potter!! /o/

[skygiants]

Aha! Let's see if I can remember what's popular and unpopular from Harry Potter fandom these days.

1. I actually kind of wish Harry wasn't always our POV character. I think I would get less frustrated with him if I wasn't stuck inside his head all the time. There are definitely moments when I like him, but there are other moments when I want to kick him and get a chance to hang out with someone else for a while.

2. Dumbledore is a manipulative jerk! Um, is that unpopular? I also think he's just a bad person to be in charge of the school. He has a terrible record with hiring teachers and pays no attention to any of his administrative duties! I bet poor McGonagall does all his paperwork.

3. Cho Chang does not and has never had any obligation to like Harry, hang out with Harry, or join Harry's illegal wizard militia, and the fact that she decided not to do so does not make her a terrible person.

4. Tri-Wizard competition or not, Beauxbatons is clearly a better school than Hogwarts. For a start, their students actually learn a foreign language. That's one up on all the Hogwarts kids! Also, Fleur is made of awesome.

[vivien]

I bet poor McGonagall does all his paperwork.

Dude. Seriously.

I mean, I like Dumbledore, but master manipulator. But then again, I like the manipulators in that 'verse.

[winding_path]

I'm having a day. Wanna make up interesting Supernatural opinions for me?

[skygiants]

I will do my best!

1. I am sad to say that I cannot ship Castiel/Dean, because I TOTALLY SHIP CASTIEL/ELLEN. You know it's mad hot. (Come on, he's immortal, which means she's closer to his age than any of the other humans still alive on the show!)

2. I believe that there is a massive amount of canon evidence pointing to the fact that Jess was secretly a ninja. Ironically, she was dating Sam because she just wanted a nice normal life.

3. Actually I think it would have been awesome if The Littlest Winchester from that one episode had hung around and turned their duo into a trio. I am always a fan of more ensembleness!

4. What Supernatural really, really needs is a musical episode.

[winding_path]

Dear Becca,

I love you.

*draws hearts all around this response, and cannot even single out a favorite part*

Georgia

[skygiants]

:D! *loves also*

[genarti]

All my first thoughts are canons that do not really have fandoms so far as I know. *amused* Uh.

NEWSIES.

[skygiants]

And we've already been over our mutually unpopular Inda opinions. *laughing* OKAY! Be aware that my knowledge of Newsies fandom mostly comes from Shati's fic-snippets, so, based on that:

1. BUMLETS IS NOT A SEXY NAME.

2. SPOT CONLON IS NOT A ONE-MAN GUY. THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD!

3. GIRLS WANT RIGHTS, NEWSIES FANDOM. GIRLS. WANT. RIGHTS.

[genarti]

3. Newsies fandom gives girls rights!!! Well... it gives Mary Sues rights...

I think in this case it may be more, LOGIC AND HISTORICAL ACCURACY WANT RIGHTS!, but canon kinda tramples over all of that too. Um.

[skygiants]

3. Girls want rights that . . . . don't have to do with making out with Spot?

(Okay girls probably want the right to make out with Spot as well.)

[aberration]

I... kind of want to be a hater and ask for Heroes, but I think I might spare you the trauma and go with Buffy instead.

[skygiants]

Ahehehehe yeah. Oh Heroes. You probably know my opinions there already anyways, though! So, Buffy:

1. I always feel that there should be more parents in the series. It weirds me out that we hardly ever see Xander's or Willow's families, and even Joyce doesn't appear in a lot of episodes. My high school experience involved a lot more adults!

2. I actually really liked Dawn from the beginning. She may be a little whiny, but, to be fair, I whined just about that much when I was thirteen too, and I would have whined way more if my older sister got to be a magical superheroine. And see above, re: families - I thought it was really nice to see Buffy's family situtaion playing more of a role.

3. I never actually cared all that much about Jenny Calendar. Uh, this may be because I still haven't seen quite all of the second season.

4. I love Tara, but I have some problems with the fact that the later seasons of the show seemed to completely forget Oz ever existed because it made it inconvenient for the lesbian jokes. Sexuality can be a spectrum, Joss! Speaking of continuity, someone else I wish had been mentioned, um, ever again: Jesse from the very first episode.

[aberration]

4. See, I would be grumpy about Oz, but... he got to live. And as much as people defend what happened to Tara as 'Joss hates true love!!!" etc. etc., it kind of bothered me that in the continuity of Buffy, at least, such relationship-crushing occurred for the most part with the guy leaving (but living), and the girl dying.

[skygiants]

That also bothered me! Tara got narrative emphasis but had to die to get it, Oz lived but got narratively erased. Obviously it would have been even more problematic if Tara had gotten narratively erased. And Oz bothers me more than it should maybe because, um, I like Oz a lot. But also I have a continuity thing. But basically I'm not thrilled with how either of them was treated.

[schiarire.livejournal.com]

ANCIENT ROME

[skygiants]

DOES ANCIENT ROME EVEN HAVE A FANDOM JI??

Okay, you are probably getting bits of things stolen from I, Claudius and Julius Caesar and Antony and Cleopatra. My learnings, they are great!

1. Livia is the most awesome mass-murdering empress to ever poison most of her family.

2. You know, Julius Caesar probably was planning on making himself dictator. Democracy is a principle worth supporting! Even if stabbing the guy 40 times was possibly going too far.

3. The Flavians were infinitely more kickass than those crazy Julio-Claudians.

[schiarire.livejournal.com]

Yo, it's a fandom with an even longer tradition than X-Files!

2. Too far?! What would Lenin say!

[skygiants]

Yes but are there ship wars! This is the question you must answer.

2. Caesar was a man of the populace! Lenin would probably have voted for a quiet assassination. :O

[schiarire.livejournal.com]

TUDOR ENGLAND HAS SHIP WARS

[skygiants]

. . . YOUR POINT IS TAKEN. Man, I should have asked you about unpopular Tudor fandom opinions! (*WAVES TINY ANNE OF CLEVES FLAG*)

[vivien]

Anne of Cleves was stone cold awesome. Not only did she survive Henry, she lived a long happy life in which she pretty much played cards with friends all day long.

[rushin-doll.livejournal.com]

The temptation to suggest The Legend is high, but I resist because there's no Fandom. Instead I shall make you do this twice! Once with Pushing Daisies and then again with Gunslinger Girl (which may be next to impossible what with tiny!fandom with a large side of creepy!insane!fandom.

Helpfully,
Ana

[skygiants]

I think there is a fandom! It's just focused in the kdrama-watching bits of the internet, which I occasionally go and peer at to hunt down kdrama recs. On the other hand, we're not done with it yet.

Pushing Daisies:

1. OLIVE/EMERSON OTP!!!! I have yet to come across anyone else who really shares this opinion, but come on, it would be awesome!

2. Which is not to say that there shouldn't be more Simone. Also, more Lila. MAYBE Simone and Lila working together!

3. Not that I don't love Ned and Chuck, but, especially by the second season, the subplots centering on Olive, Emerson and the aunts were a lot more interesting than the Ned/Chuck-related ones.

4. I love the fashions they give Olive and Chuck, but they occasionally make a misstep and set Chuck's makeup on overkill.


Gunslinger Girl: do I even know what popular fannish opinions are here?

1. Rico is the most terrifying of the girls, hands down.

2. I'm actually not nearly as interested in Henrietta as I am in Rico, Triela and Claes.

3. Gunslinger Girls should be a show entirely devoid of shipping. Except maybe Angelica's fratello/his ex-girlfriend.

4. I thought the Pinocchio subplot was actually kind of dull?

[rushin-doll.livejournal.com]

We're pretty much in agreement (or something close to it) on Pushing Daisies, so... onto GSG...

1. Yes. No question.

2. Again: yeah.

3. Yes, yes, yes. Also: yes.

4. Now this one has me curious. How come?

CURIOUS!
Ana

[skygiants]

4. I don't know really! I just spent that whole portion of the manga wanting to get back to the girls instead.

[rushin-doll.livejournal.com]

Oh, OH! I thought you meant the entire Pinnochio arc with Triela and everything. As it turns out, we're in agreement.

I mean, I know what Pinnocio is there to do. He's there to drive the point home that it doesn't take chemicals to build a brainwashed child assassin. But, really, if you didn't get that point without the obvious bits from Pinnochio, it's not clear you'd get it with them, either.

Agreeing then!
Ana

[furikku.livejournal.com]

Please give to me unpopular opinions regarding the Phantom of the Opera.

[skygiants]

Hahahaha oh Phandom. My very first fandom as a small thing just discovering the internet! Okay:

1. Philippe de Chagny gets a bad rap! As far as I am concerned he reacts quite sanely throughout the whole book and it was very unfair to write him out of the musical.

2. It is permissible to root for Christine to end up with neither of her obsessive stalkers, but perhaps to go to a different country and continue her promising career far away from all the crazy.

3. I totally ship Carlotta/Piangi. I think it's sweet!

[furikku.livejournal.com]

2 is now my official shipping stance for PotO. (Other than Phantom x Being Batshit Crazy.) Christine x Career in Another Country!

[skygiants]

Wasn't Christine initially from Sweden anyways? She can go back there and become the Swedish Nightingale or Meadowlark or whatever it was that was the turn-of-the-century singing sensation!

[schiarire.livejournal.com]

>>the Swedish Nightingale or Meadowlark or whatever it was that was the turn-of-the-century singing sensation<<

You made this up out of Newsies! I think!

[skygiants]

I did not either, The Nightingale was real! Hans Christian Anderson had a total stalkery thing going on with her and Mendelssohn asked her to elope with him, MORE EVIDENCE FOR MY THEORY I THINK.