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[livejournal.com profile] lacewood asked me for my Top Five OTPs! As with everything else, this is a difficult question to narrow down and will leave out many many things I love, but I WILL DO MY BEST, etc. etc.




1. Mordion/Vierran, Hexwood

Obviously I need to have a DWJ couple represented here every time I do this, and Mordion and Vierran are currently uppermost in my thoughts thanks to this fantastic Yuletide story, Childish Things, which reminded me how much I love them all over again.

Vierran and Mordion's relationship begins in the usual way - she's just gotten her first boring desk job working for a big corporation, he works in a different area but has to stop her desk a lot, they strike up a flirtation - except of course that the corporation they both work for is composed of interdimensional evil overlords, she's a hostage, and he's a MIND-CONTROLLED ASSASSIN. None of which negates the fact that most of their flirting occurs over office paperwork.

Okay, actually, Mordion/Vierran is probably the most amazingly cracked-out, idtastic relationship DWJ has ever written. He's an angsty mind-controlled assassin and she's a spy! She's from a privileged family and he's a slave! They know each other from an emotionally significant childhood but don't recognize each other as adults, and not only that, they are linked by a telepathic soulbond! They both spend a significant part of the story dramatically mindwiped and amnesiac, and at one point there is a canonical AU where Vierran is a medieval lady and Mordion is a wizard! At another point Mordion literally turns into a dragon due to the sheer weight of backstory angst, and Vierran rides her soulbonded dragon boyfriend around while her family makes disapproving noises! They fill up a cliche_bingo card all by themselves. ALIENS ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEM DO IT. I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING. (Okay, evil interdimensional overlords attempt to make them do it, but I THINK THAT COUNTS.)

And because it's DWJ in the middle of all this idtastic drama is actually the story of two damaged people who have idealized each other with starry-eyed crushes actually getting to know each other for who they really are, warts and all, and all the romance is very quiet and adorable. Which should not be possible, and yet, it's DWJ.

2. Sig Curtis/Izumi Curtis, Fullmetal Alchemist



I was waffling on this one because I didn't want to include two relationships from the same canon, it didn't seem fair, but . . . on the other hand, relationships like Sig and Izumi's are so rare, and get so little attention from fandom, and INSPIRE IN ME SO MANY FEELINGS, that I feel the need to talk about it anyway.

Most fiction believes a couple of things I find to be highly problematic:
1. Women who are strong, especially physically strong, find it difficult or impossible to hold down traditional romantic relationships.
2. Older people are boring.
3. Happy married couples are boring.

Izumi Curtis is a middle-aged kickass lady alchemist and one of, if not the, most hardcore and dangerous characters in Fullmetal Alchemist. In any other canon this would doom her to being a cranky hermit. In FMA, Izumi is not just the MOST BADASS EVER, she is also in a ridiculously happy, adorable, and stable relationship with a loving, supportive and almost-as-badass husband. Sig doesn't need to compete with Izumi, or feel insecure because she is amazing; he is pretty clearly just happy to be with a lady who is that awesome, and Izumi is pretty clearly also happy to be with a dude who is that awesome!

And in pretty much any other canon this would mean that Sig was doomed to die, but - SPOILER - Sig and Izumi both survive and go on to live happy and adorably ever after. And I SHIP IT SO HARD. I'm not going to lie, if Sig or Izumi had died, I might have been even more upset than if Roy and/or Riza had - because Sig and Izumi's happy and stable marriage is the kind of thing canon never lets stand, and I was so hoping FMA would be different. And it was!

(Also, they are just so hilarious. MISS, YOU DROPPED YOUR BEAR.)

3. Roy Mustang/Riza Hawkeye, Fullmetal Alchemist



But of course it would now be remiss of me not to talk about the couple I . . . have actually written the most fic about!

Look, it is not news to anyone that I find Roy Mustang and Riza Hawkeye's relationship amazing. There are two major reasons for that, and one is the bedrock of absolute trust that their relationship is founded on. Whether you think they've had any kind of physical romantic interaction before the end of canon or not (and my personal mental canon is not) it almost doesn't matter, because they know each other that well, and they trust and rely on each other absolutely. And this is something that, as I get older, I find grips me more and more in fiction. Kids just figuring out that they liiiike each other are adorable, and I enjoy reading about them, but - the thing about these two is that they trust each other; they respect each other; it's a relationship of equals, and they have each other's backs. And guys, I don't know about you, but I think that trust is hotter than just about anything else.

. . . . and that's half of it. The other half is that - guys, call me hard-hearted, but I think 'love conquers all' is often not a healthy idea. Love is great! But I also think that in many circumstances, it can be pretty selfish or short-sighted to put that above all considerations. Which is why I have a huge bulletproof fictional kink for relationships that are driven by ideals - where it's very clear that no matter how much two people love each other, there are things they believe in that trump their feelings. Hawkeye loves Mustang, and she would shoot him if she had to do so to stop him from becoming monstrous. The dream they're working for is more important than their own happiness. (Uh, obviously I ship it and want them to be happy, don't get me wrong! But their ideals are a good part of the reason why, and why I respect them so much for it.)

4. Cha Song Joo/Lee Su Hyun, Capital Scandal



Speaking of ideals! Cha Song Joo and Lee Su Hyun combine, like, everything I love into one ridiculously angsty package. They are both passionately idealistic about their country - she's a glamorous courtesan by day and a secret freedom fighting assassin by night, he's a secret policeman - and they a.) love each other and b.) are fighting against each other a lot of the time. See that picture? That is him carefully checking on the BULLET WOUND HE GAVE HER IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODE WHEN SHE WAS SECRETLY ASSASSINATING SOME DUDE AND HIS POLICE TEAM CAME ON THE SCENE. Oh yeah, true love.

See, it's not that I love enemies-in-love, exactly. It's that I love enemies in love when the things that are making them enemies are, again, their ideals, for exactly the same reasons as above. And - all right, I know I just spent a lot of time talking about trust and friendship and how important that is to me in fictional relationships, and it's true, but I'm not going to lie, I also love dangerous mind games. Not when one person is playing mind games on the other, because that's creepy. But when both parties are equally clever, and equally dangerous? That is totally one of my id-buttons. Cha Song Joo and Lee Su Hyun's relationship gets me ideals and trust and dangerous mind games, and it is basically my kryptonite.

(Also:





I, uh, guess I just really like it when people point guns at each other as a sign of true love? IN FICTION, LET ME CLARIFY.)

5. OOTORI KYOUYA/AZULA, The Ouran High School Host Club/Avatar: The Last Airbender Crossover That Does Not Exist



AND SPEAKING OF DANGEROUS MIND GAMES.

Guys, I have been wanting someone to write me this crossover fic for years. YEARS. I'm just going to keep mentioning it until someone finally gives in.

Oh my god, that was the longest I have ever talked about shipping ever. EVER. Distract me from how embarrassed I feel by telling me why you love the relationships you love the most!

Date: 2011-02-28 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonyazu9.livejournal.com
I'm just now getting back into Fullmetal Alchemist, and I love Izumi/Sig SO FREAKIN' MUCH.

OOTORI KYOUYA/AZULA, The Ouran High School Host Club/Avatar: The Last Airbender Crossover That Does Not Exist
I just checked FF.net, it doesn't exist. BUT I WOULD TOTALLY LOVE IT IF SOMEONE WROTE IT SOMEDAY.

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Date: 2011-02-28 06:45 pm (UTC)
genarti: Hawkeye standing at Mustang's back (from the tunnel scene with Envy) ([fma] this is my right)
From: [personal profile] genarti
YOU ALREADY KNOW MY OTPS I THINK DUDE although I will try to think of something to babble about! But I have to pause and giggle over that particular selection of Hawkeye and Mustang scene. Really, my friend?

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Date: 2011-02-28 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sour-idealist.livejournal.com
KYOUYA/AZUALA?

...I would give a fortune to be able to write mind games right now.

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Date: 2011-02-28 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hafl.livejournal.com
I guess I should take this as a signal to take a look at Full Metal Alchemist, but both the manga and the anime are just so long. I have gathered that the first anime is not very good, is the second anime any better or should I just give up on the anime and look for the manga?

Date: 2011-03-01 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cupenny.livejournal.com
The second anime pretty much follows the manga ~exactly~, so pretty much just pick the format (book or screen) you most prefer!

Date: 2011-02-28 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zumie-ashlen.livejournal.com
Hawkeye loves Mustang, and she would shoot him if she had to do so to stop him from becoming monstrous. The dream they're working for is more important than their own happiness.

Oh my gosh that is such a kink of mine too AND I NEVER REALIZED IT UNTIL YOU PUT INTO WORDS YOU WONDERFUL PERSON YOU. Um. I THINK I SHIP THEM MORE FERVENTLY NOW.

Date: 2011-02-28 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elle-white.livejournal.com
This was so much fun to read and I love both Sid/Izumi and Roy/Riza dearly. <333

Oh, Kyouya/Azula! The mind games would be the most compelling thing to watch ever.

Two of my biggest ships at the moment are Youko/Rakushun and Jacuzzi/Nice. I just have a weakness for strong-willed ladies and their dorky, earnest boyfriends!
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Date: 2011-02-28 11:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fahye.livejournal.com
OH #5. ONE DAY BECCA WILL REALISE THAT SHE MUST WRITE YOU.

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Date: 2011-03-01 02:07 am (UTC)
aamalie: (fma | let me be your casualty)
From: [personal profile] aamalie
lololol interesting choice of a second Roy/Riza cap there, Becca. JUST WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SHIPPING, HMM?

As for my favorite pairing, I think they are FAIRLY OBVIOUS, considering all I every draw/write/talk about anymore is Roy and Riza. My love for everyone else suffers in comparison! And I feel like you hit on a lot of my reasons for loving them, but another is that I guess I just... have a thing for MASSIVELY CODEPENDENT (TO THE POINT OF NOT WANTING TO LIVE WITHOUT THE OTHER EVER) ROMANCES?! Is something inherent to both Roy/Riza and my other longtime OTP, Miroku/Sango. There is just something that appeals to me about couples being so very driven and motivated to live and continue forward -- until it comes to losing the other. (DOESN'T MAKE FOR VERY HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS THOUGH.)

That said I much prefer them not dying and having uber-happy endings! I tend to agree with you re: Roy and Riza's physical relationship during canon, and that we are intended to read it as UST. But post-canon? LOL ALL BETS ARE OFF. BRING ON THE KISSING!!1

And man, I just want to also talk about my other FMA ships even though I typically ignore them terribly! Ling/Lan Fan! Becca, I just really really want Ling to be emperor and unite all the clans and totally revolutionize the system and ditch the 50-wives system! Because (A) he REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVES LAN FAN and (B) because never knowing your dad and murderous vendettas against your half-siblings doesn't really make for functional family dinners. And woe on anyone who tries to assassinate HIM, because look, his wife will kick the ass of anyone who tries to touch him, okay? DO NOT MESS WITH EMPEROR LING.

And then Alphone and May! ADORABLENESS PERSONIFIED. I just love how we see them meet and how they progress to acquaintances to allies then friends and then OMG LOOK MAY CHANG IS IN THE ELRIC FAMILY PICTURE OMGGGGG. I love them for that evolution, especially since they are the only couple in FMA that gets it; everyone else is pretty established as a couple (or at least in feelings with each other) from the get-go.

Also, last but not least, omg Cha Song Joo/Lee Su Hyun, AHHHHH. FOR THE RECORD, MY DESIRE FOR FIX IT FIC HAS NOT DIMINISHED. IN THE SLIGHEST. IT HAS ONLY GROOOOOOOOOOWN.

(I'd apologize for the capslock abuse... but I get the feeling that by the time we're done replying back and forth that's all we'll be talking in anyway. NOT THAT IT'S EVER HAPPENED BEORE.)

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Date: 2011-03-01 02:41 am (UTC)
lacewood: (vagrant: here to top up your quota)
From: [personal profile] lacewood
....... Holy shit, you're totally right about Vierran/Mordion, they could fill an entire kink bingo AND AU bingo single handed and that's just FROM THE CANON ITSELF. DWJ, HOW DID YOU EVEN DO THIS. /awe and terror

Also, I'm with you 300% on the Sig/Izumi and the Roy/Riza because so much <33333 everywhere. SO MUCH. *___* Roy and Riza's trust and respect is definitely what gets me about them (And gun pointing? Worryingly relevant to my interests)

(Also, I await the day Azula/Kyouya fic materialises, that I may appreciate the OTP in its FULL GLORY >D)

Date: 2011-03-01 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy-chan.livejournal.com
...Goddamn that Azula/Kyouya, I'm trying to stick Azula in Ouran (It really, really doesn't work, but it's hilarious,) and stick Kyouya in ATLA-verse, which is a bit better, but involves me giving Kyouya a nation (either Earth or Fire) and then realizing the other Host Club people would have to be along for the ride and asdfghjkl GUH. DAMN YOUUUU.

Date: 2011-03-01 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ivy-chan.livejournal.com
...OH GODDAMMIT MY MIND JUST STUCK ALL OF THEM IN HOGWARTS WHAT AM I EVEN ON TONIGHT.

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here's what I have so far:

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Date: 2011-03-01 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elspeth-vimes.livejournal.com
I love these ships so much. So much. The ones I know, that is.

And lj has stolen all my real shippy icons until I feed it money, but I shall answer the question anyway!

As I believe I have mentioned before, I have a massive partnership thing which I trace back to early exposure to Mulder and Scully. This is most awesome when they fight crime together, but it also seems to extend just to equal relationships where both members really offer something the other needs. Like in Kimi wa Pet, he offers her the ability to be with someone without self-imposing a professional role of some sort, and she offers him direction and inspiration. So mostly I just like really trusting and supportive relationships, which I happen to find the most epic in partnership situations. This tends to be my basis for the few times I stray from canon. In Darker than Black, it is very clear that Misaki has feelings for Hei (or at least for Hei-as-Lee), but once you get past my general support for canon things my real ship in the series is Misaki/November 11, since they are an awesome team when they work together and clearly respect and even have concern for each other (which is impressive when one of the people involved is November 11!)

I also have a thing for characters with unrequited love who suffer through it responsibly and considerately, whether their love is eventually returned or not.

But the thing that I end up shipping like burning is when the people involved love each other but recognize that for whatever reason it would be stupid to act on it, and so remain responsible adults and friends/coworkers/ect. More specifically, I love it when the people involved are SO RESPONSIBLE that they don't mention their great sacrifice, they just carry on! This is why I love Ginko and Tanyuu in Mushishi SO MUCH. He has to travel all the time. She has to stay in one place. They clearly share a deep bond. And they say nothing of their tragic fate but continue to be awesome at their jobs.

All this basically makes the Major/Batou in Stand Alone Complex and the Ghost in the Shell movies (notably not the original manga) my kryptonite. Badass coworkers who team up to FIGHT CRIME? Check. 52 episodes of him respectfully pining after her and occasionally doing suicidal things for her, while she displays great trust in him and decides not to crush his heart? Check. A movie that is basically a tragic love story about how the fact that his love for her is what keeps him human and therefore totally apart from her? Check. It is kind of a terrible relationship and totally doomed but god I love it.

wow this was tl;dr HOW DID I TALK THIS MUCH ABOUT SHIPPING?

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Date: 2011-03-02 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kd7sov
For all my preferences in Golden Sun shipping, and the fact that I can't easily imagine one of the characters therefrom with anyone but another particular character... my only real fandom OTP is from somewhere completely different. Homestuck, to be precise.

Nepeta <> Equius. Certainly there are other ships around, arguably even more innumerable than in most fandoms. Some I support, some I dislike - but only that one jumps out at me, saying yes, saying right. It's not something I can put into words, really.

Date: 2011-03-02 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevacaruso.livejournal.com
...I think I need to read Hexwood now.

this comment is very late and very short

Date: 2011-03-06 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudo_tsuga.livejournal.com
That second paragraph for the ship from Capital Scandal is a HUGE kink of mine, but it's often poorly done. I really love people in love who have real ideological gaps between them. Have you ever read Basara? It's where I got it from and still one of the best examples of it I've ever read (besides being an awesome retro shoujo about revolution and rebuilding a post-apocalyptic Japan)

Date: 2015-11-08 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] whitehound
I do like the way you describe Hexwood - very funny and so true, especially the part about Mordion and Vierran both have starry-eyed crushes on each other which they then have to adjust to get to a real appreciation of each other as people. And yes, they're perfect for each other.

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