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Feb. 28th, 2011 12:38 pm1. Mordion/Vierran, Hexwood
Obviously I need to have a DWJ couple represented here every time I do this, and Mordion and Vierran are currently uppermost in my thoughts thanks to this fantastic Yuletide story, Childish Things, which reminded me how much I love them all over again.
Vierran and Mordion's relationship begins in the usual way - she's just gotten her first boring desk job working for a big corporation, he works in a different area but has to stop her desk a lot, they strike up a flirtation - except of course that the corporation they both work for is composed of interdimensional evil overlords, she's a hostage, and he's a MIND-CONTROLLED ASSASSIN. None of which negates the fact that most of their flirting occurs over office paperwork.
Okay, actually, Mordion/Vierran is probably the most amazingly cracked-out, idtastic relationship DWJ has ever written. He's an angsty mind-controlled assassin and she's a spy! She's from a privileged family and he's a slave! They know each other from an emotionally significant childhood but don't recognize each other as adults, and not only that, they are linked by a telepathic soulbond! They both spend a significant part of the story dramatically mindwiped and amnesiac, and at one point there is a canonical AU where Vierran is a medieval lady and Mordion is a wizard! At another point Mordion literally turns into a dragon due to the sheer weight of backstory angst, and Vierran rides her soulbonded dragon boyfriend around while her family makes disapproving noises! They fill up a cliche_bingo card all by themselves. ALIENS ACTUALLY ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEM DO IT. I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING. (Okay, evil interdimensional overlords attempt to make them do it, but I THINK THAT COUNTS.)
And because it's DWJ in the middle of all this idtastic drama is actually the story of two damaged people who have idealized each other with starry-eyed crushes actually getting to know each other for who they really are, warts and all, and all the romance is very quiet and adorable. Which should not be possible, and yet, it's DWJ.
2. Sig Curtis/Izumi Curtis, Fullmetal Alchemist
I was waffling on this one because I didn't want to include two relationships from the same canon, it didn't seem fair, but . . . on the other hand, relationships like Sig and Izumi's are so rare, and get so little attention from fandom, and INSPIRE IN ME SO MANY FEELINGS, that I feel the need to talk about it anyway.
Most fiction believes a couple of things I find to be highly problematic:
1. Women who are strong, especially physically strong, find it difficult or impossible to hold down traditional romantic relationships.
2. Older people are boring.
3. Happy married couples are boring.
Izumi Curtis is a middle-aged kickass lady alchemist and one of, if not the, most hardcore and dangerous characters in Fullmetal Alchemist. In any other canon this would doom her to being a cranky hermit. In FMA, Izumi is not just the MOST BADASS EVER, she is also in a ridiculously happy, adorable, and stable relationship with a loving, supportive and almost-as-badass husband. Sig doesn't need to compete with Izumi, or feel insecure because she is amazing; he is pretty clearly just happy to be with a lady who is that awesome, and Izumi is pretty clearly also happy to be with a dude who is that awesome!
And in pretty much any other canon this would mean that Sig was doomed to die, but - SPOILER - Sig and Izumi both survive and go on to live happy and adorably ever after. And I SHIP IT SO HARD. I'm not going to lie, if Sig or Izumi had died, I might have been even more upset than if Roy and/or Riza had - because Sig and Izumi's happy and stable marriage is the kind of thing canon never lets stand, and I was so hoping FMA would be different. And it was!
(Also, they are just so hilarious. MISS, YOU DROPPED YOUR BEAR.)
3. Roy Mustang/Riza Hawkeye, Fullmetal Alchemist

But of course it would now be remiss of me not to talk about the couple I . . . have actually written the most fic about!
Look, it is not news to anyone that I find Roy Mustang and Riza Hawkeye's relationship amazing. There are two major reasons for that, and one is the bedrock of absolute trust that their relationship is founded on. Whether you think they've had any kind of physical romantic interaction before the end of canon or not (and my personal mental canon is not) it almost doesn't matter, because they know each other that well, and they trust and rely on each other absolutely. And this is something that, as I get older, I find grips me more and more in fiction. Kids just figuring out that they liiiike each other are adorable, and I enjoy reading about them, but - the thing about these two is that they trust each other; they respect each other; it's a relationship of equals, and they have each other's backs. And guys, I don't know about you, but I think that trust is hotter than just about anything else.
. . . . and that's half of it. The other half is that - guys, call me hard-hearted, but I think 'love conquers all' is often not a healthy idea. Love is great! But I also think that in many circumstances, it can be pretty selfish or short-sighted to put that above all considerations. Which is why I have a huge bulletproof fictional kink for relationships that are driven by ideals - where it's very clear that no matter how much two people love each other, there are things they believe in that trump their feelings. Hawkeye loves Mustang, and she would shoot him if she had to do so to stop him from becoming monstrous. The dream they're working for is more important than their own happiness. (Uh, obviously I ship it and want them to be happy, don't get me wrong! But their ideals are a good part of the reason why, and why I respect them so much for it.)
4. Cha Song Joo/Lee Su Hyun, Capital Scandal
Speaking of ideals! Cha Song Joo and Lee Su Hyun combine, like, everything I love into one ridiculously angsty package. They are both passionately idealistic about their country - she's a glamorous courtesan by day and a secret freedom fighting assassin by night, he's a secret policeman - and they a.) love each other and b.) are fighting against each other a lot of the time. See that picture? That is him carefully checking on the BULLET WOUND HE GAVE HER IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODE WHEN SHE WAS SECRETLY ASSASSINATING SOME DUDE AND HIS POLICE TEAM CAME ON THE SCENE. Oh yeah, true love.
See, it's not that I love enemies-in-love, exactly. It's that I love enemies in love when the things that are making them enemies are, again, their ideals, for exactly the same reasons as above. And - all right, I know I just spent a lot of time talking about trust and friendship and how important that is to me in fictional relationships, and it's true, but I'm not going to lie, I also love dangerous mind games. Not when one person is playing mind games on the other, because that's creepy. But when both parties are equally clever, and equally dangerous? That is totally one of my id-buttons. Cha Song Joo and Lee Su Hyun's relationship gets me ideals and trust and dangerous mind games, and it is basically my kryptonite.
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I, uh, guess I just really like it when people point guns at each other as a sign of true love? IN FICTION, LET ME CLARIFY.)
5. OOTORI KYOUYA/AZULA, The Ouran High School Host Club/Avatar: The Last Airbender Crossover That Does Not Exist
AND SPEAKING OF DANGEROUS MIND GAMES.
Guys, I have been wanting someone to write me this crossover fic for years. YEARS. I'm just going to keep mentioning it until someone finally gives in.
Oh my god, that was the longest I have ever talked about shipping ever. EVER. Distract me from how embarrassed I feel by telling me why you love the relationships you love the most!
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Date: 2011-02-28 06:26 pm (UTC)OOTORI KYOUYA/AZULA, The Ouran High School Host Club/Avatar: The Last Airbender Crossover That Does Not Exist
I just checked FF.net, it doesn't exist. BUT I WOULD TOTALLY LOVE IT IF SOMEONE WROTE IT SOMEDAY.
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Date: 2011-02-28 07:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-02-28 07:24 pm (UTC)Hey, I think my first choice of scene was perfectly valid as a representation of the things I am talking about! *dignity* AS IS MY SECOND, come to that. ALSO LOOK AT YOUR ICON, LOOK AT YOUR CHOICES, YOU ARE ONE OT TALK.
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Date: 2011-02-28 09:17 pm (UTC)...I would give a fortune to be able to write mind games right now.
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Date: 2011-03-01 12:31 am (UTC)Also, while it's definitely long, Fullmetal Alchemist is a very complete story; there's pretty much no filler at all, and the continuity is amazing, for what it's worth.
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Date: 2011-02-28 11:14 pm (UTC)Oh my gosh that is such a kink of mine too AND I NEVER REALIZED IT UNTIL YOU PUT INTO WORDS YOU WONDERFUL PERSON YOU. Um. I THINK I SHIP THEM MORE FERVENTLY NOW.
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Date: 2011-03-01 12:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-02-28 11:19 pm (UTC)Oh, Kyouya/Azula! The mind games would be the most compelling thing to watch ever.
Two of my biggest ships at the moment are Youko/Rakushun and Jacuzzi/Nice. I just have a weakness for strong-willed ladies and their dorky, earnest boyfriends!
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Date: 2011-03-01 12:27 am (UTC). . . from a safe distance away.
Oh man, both of those came SO CLOSE to making it onto my list! And they hit another thing I love and have not had a chance to talk about (although Roy/Riza touched on it a little) which is BEST FRIENDS WHO TRUST AND RESPECT EACH OTHER and also are in love!
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Date: 2011-03-01 12:25 am (UTC)A: NOT
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Date: 2011-03-01 02:07 am (UTC)As for my favorite pairing, I think they are FAIRLY OBVIOUS, considering all I every draw/write/talk about anymore is Roy and Riza. My love for everyone else suffers in comparison! And I feel like you hit on a lot of my reasons for loving them, but another is that I guess I just... have a thing for MASSIVELY CODEPENDENT (TO THE POINT OF NOT WANTING TO LIVE WITHOUT THE OTHER EVER) ROMANCES?! Is something inherent to both Roy/Riza and my other longtime OTP, Miroku/Sango. There is just something that appeals to me about couples being so very driven and motivated to live and continue forward -- until it comes to losing the other. (DOESN'T MAKE FOR VERY HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS THOUGH.)
That said I much prefer them not dying and having uber-happy endings! I tend to agree with you re: Roy and Riza's physical relationship during canon, and that we are intended to read it as UST. But post-canon? LOL ALL BETS ARE OFF. BRING ON THE KISSING!!1
And man, I just want to also talk about my other FMA ships even though I typically ignore them terribly! Ling/Lan Fan! Becca, I just really really want Ling to be emperor and unite all the clans and totally revolutionize the system and ditch the 50-wives system! Because (A) he REALLY REALLY REALLY LOVES LAN FAN and (B) because never knowing your dad and murderous vendettas against your half-siblings doesn't really make for functional family dinners. And woe on anyone who tries to assassinate HIM, because look, his wife will kick the ass of anyone who tries to touch him, okay? DO NOT MESS WITH EMPEROR LING.
And then Alphone and May! ADORABLENESS PERSONIFIED. I just love how we see them meet and how they progress to acquaintances to allies then friends and then OMG LOOK MAY CHANG IS IN THE ELRIC FAMILY PICTURE OMGGGGG. I love them for that evolution, especially since they are the only couple in FMA that gets it; everyone else is pretty established as a couple (or at least in feelings with each other) from the get-go.
Also, last but not least, omg Cha Song Joo/Lee Su Hyun, AHHHHH. FOR THE RECORD, MY DESIRE FOR FIX IT FIC HAS NOT DIMINISHED. IN THE SLIGHEST. IT HAS ONLY GROOOOOOOOOOWN.
(I'd apologize for the capslock abuse... but I get the feeling that by the time we're done replying back and forth that's all we'll be talking in anyway. NOT THAT IT'S EVER HAPPENED BEORE.)
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Date: 2011-03-01 02:40 am (UTC)For me romantic codepencence in fiction can be really hit or miss - a lot of times I just want to shout at them "MAKE OTHER FRIENDS! MAYBE GET A HOBBY!" - so Roy/Riza is sort of a special exception in that their codependence just makes me love them more? I think because a lot of codependent relationships in fiction there is a sort of sense of imbalance, like one party needs the other more, but HAHAHA NOT ROY/RIZA IT IS PRETTY ETERNALLY MUTUAL.
Yeah, I remember Gen and I once went through the show and figured out that the ONLY TIME they have actual physical contact before the final battle - the ONLY TIME - is when Riza trips Roy up way back in episode five. *laughing* In the manga Riza VERY VERY BRIEFLY grabs him after the battle with Lust, but ten seconds after they're not touching again. And man, that is not just coincidence, that is the not-touching of people with some SERIOUS SUPPRESSED UST. (My favorite is the scene in the anime when they meet up after the six-month separation, and there is still no touching but Roy just starts clinging to HAYATE. hahaha NOT FOOLING ANYONE DUDE.) So you've got to figure once they break through that and start just clinging to each other at the very end, ALL BETS ARE INDEED OFF.
The other FMA ships also totally deserve a mention! Man, I want so much postcanon fic about Ling REVOLUTIONIZING XING and Lan Fan working out her master/bodyguard power dynamics issues and May growing up into her badass self and Al coming to visit Xing and learning alkahestry and constantly radiating faint smugness at Ed that he is doing the romance thing so much better, dude, some people do not need ridiculous metaphors to woo their girlfriends because they are naturally gentlemanly. I want ALL this fic. (Haha, man, I was totally lolshipping Al and Mei before they even met in canon just due to the fact that I thought it would be hilarious if Al got a love interest, after all his sad comments about getting killed by Izumi before he could get a girlfriend. And then canon made it a reality!)
I ALSO WISH FOR ALL THE FIX-IT FIC. I was so depressed that there was no Capital Scandal fic in Yuletide this year; next year it is going BACK ON MY LIST. Maybe TOP OF IT.
(w-what are you saying this journal is NOT A CAPSLOCK FRIENDLY PLACE.
. . . . wait)
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Date: 2011-03-01 02:41 am (UTC)Also, I'm with you 300% on the Sig/Izumi and the Roy/Riza because so much <33333 everywhere. SO MUCH. *___* Roy and Riza's trust and respect is definitely what gets me about them (And gun pointing? Worryingly relevant to my interests)
(Also, I await the day Azula/Kyouya fic materialises, that I may appreciate the OTP in its FULL GLORY >D)
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Date: 2011-03-01 02:49 am (UTC)FEELINGS EVERYWHERE. *___* (Hahahah I know right? I started to realize this trend and then eye myself warily . . .)
(SOMEDAY THAT DAY WILL ARISE, AND IT WILL BE THE MOST GLORIOUS DAY IN THE HISTORY OF FANFIC.)
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Date: 2011-03-01 06:14 pm (UTC)And lj has stolen all my real shippy icons until I feed it money, but I shall answer the question anyway!
As I believe I have mentioned before, I have a massive partnership thing which I trace back to early exposure to Mulder and Scully. This is most awesome when they fight crime together, but it also seems to extend just to equal relationships where both members really offer something the other needs. Like in Kimi wa Pet, he offers her the ability to be with someone without self-imposing a professional role of some sort, and she offers him direction and inspiration. So mostly I just like really trusting and supportive relationships, which I happen to find the most epic in partnership situations. This tends to be my basis for the few times I stray from canon. In Darker than Black, it is very clear that Misaki has feelings for Hei (or at least for Hei-as-Lee), but once you get past my general support for canon things my real ship in the series is Misaki/November 11, since they are an awesome team when they work together and clearly respect and even have concern for each other (which is impressive when one of the people involved is November 11!)
I also have a thing for characters with unrequited love who suffer through it responsibly and considerately, whether their love is eventually returned or not.
But the thing that I end up shipping like burning is when the people involved love each other but recognize that for whatever reason it would be stupid to act on it, and so remain responsible adults and friends/coworkers/ect. More specifically, I love it when the people involved are SO RESPONSIBLE that they don't mention their great sacrifice, they just carry on! This is why I love Ginko and Tanyuu in Mushishi SO MUCH. He has to travel all the time. She has to stay in one place. They clearly share a deep bond. And they say nothing of their tragic fate but continue to be awesome at their jobs.
All this basically makes the Major/Batou in Stand Alone Complex and the Ghost in the Shell movies (notably not the original manga) my kryptonite. Badass coworkers who team up to FIGHT CRIME? Check. 52 episodes of him respectfully pining after her and occasionally doing suicidal things for her, while she displays great trust in him and decides not to crush his heart? Check. A movie that is basically a tragic love story about how the fact that his love for her is what keeps him human and therefore totally apart from her? Check. It is kind of a terrible relationship and totally doomed but god I love it.
wow this was tl;dr HOW DID I TALK THIS MUCH ABOUT SHIPPING?
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Date: 2011-03-01 06:47 pm (UTC)"Equal relationships where both members really offer something the other needs" is an enormous thing for me too, which I trace back to early exposure to DWJ who is ALL ABOUT flawed people offering each other something that they need. Yoko and Rakushun are this for me - Rakushun helps Yoko believe in other people again, and Yoko helps Rakushun believe in himself. Alice Malvin and Randel Oland from Pumpkin Scissors are another huge example of this; they each support each other in their idealism, and in the different ways that they're damaged.
I also have a huge thing for responsible unrequited love - partly because it is so rare! So when people actually act like decent people about their unrequited love, and manage to maintain their friendships/relationships with the other person, it gets me twice as much.
AND I ALSO LOVE responsible requited-but-impossible-for-reasons-of-practicality-or-idealism love! See again Roy/Riza to the infinite, etc., except uh obviously they are not so tragic in the end! BUT NONETHELESS.
Basically: people who are responsible and act like grownups = clearly THE MOST ROMANTIC. (This may put me at odds with 90% of the teenagers in the world, but oh well.)
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Date: 2011-03-02 12:57 am (UTC)Nepeta <> Equius. Certainly there are other ships around, arguably even more innumerable than in most fandoms. Some I support, some I dislike - but only that one jumps out at me, saying yes, saying right. It's not something I can put into words, really.
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Date: 2011-03-02 04:56 am (UTC). . . okay, correction. Everyone should read Hexwood TWICE. The first time in complete confusion of "oh hello intergalactic diplomats wait why is there a dragon wait WHAT THE HELL IS KING ARTHUR DOING HERE?" and the second in full appreciation of all the mind-screws!
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