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The thing about Naomi Mitchison's To the Chapel Perilous is that Naomi Mitchison clearly knows her Arthuriana inside and out, and has decided to do some wonderfully weird and meta things with it, and I don't understand or agree with all of what she is doing but overall I'm extremely here for it!

The plot: Lienors and Dalyn are the ace reporters covering the Grail Quest for (respectively) the Camelot Chronicle and the Northern Pict. The Camelot Chronicle is run by Merlin and heavily funded by Church dollars, although Lienors herself secretly likes to go hang out with the White Lady and the Wild Hunt in her off-hours; the Northern Pict is run by 'Lord Horny' (Satan? Cernunnos? both? UNCLEAR) and has a strong pro-Orkney slant. And Dalyn and Lienors would quite like to report the truth, ideally, and, you know, they're doing their best, but there's the matter of the sponsors and the readership and the editors are going to chop it all up in post anyway ...

After seeing a collection of knights each come out carrying different maybe-Grails, Lienors and Dalyn make the executive decision to simplify the story for the readers and write up nice, uncontroversial Galahad as the Official Grail Achiever in their reports. The rest of the book consists of their attempts to follow up on the Grail story, while all the pieces are beginning to line up around them for the fall of Camelot.

Mitchison is interested in: irreconcilable and undeniable simultaneous truths, the public and private faces of major political figures, red carpet reporting, the ties between Arthurian legends and various early religious traditions, the way commercial news impacts public policy, journalistic ethics in wartime, whether the existence of a Cauldron of Plenty renders the human condition meaningless, and cute romances between rival reporters (extra cute in a when you learn that her daughter and son-in-law worked as reporters for rival papers! MITCHISON SHIPS IT.)

Takes on major Arthurian figures include:

King Arthur: mostly an offscreen cipher, which is extra interesting as this book comes out pretty much right in the middle of T.H. White's intermittent publications of bits and pieces of The Once and Future King, which spends a lot of time working as an in-depth study of Arthur's Character; I think the one thing we factually get about him is he's way more invested in Lancelot than in Guinevere

Lancelot: Everyone Loves Lancelot, Including Lienors (But In Like A Hot Celebrity Way, You Know)

Guinevere: Dignified, Sad And Mad. While Mitchison's take on the trio is disappointingly non-threesome, I like her Guinevere quite a lot. As does Lienors, who ships Lancelot and Guinevere so much that she ends up accidentally kick-starting the downfall of Camelot.

Sir Bors: just a nice man with a nice farm and also maybe a holy grail? but, like, a very domestic one.

Sir Percival: owner of the least domestic grail, constantly code-switching between Peredur the Extremely Pagan Wild Man of the Woods, and Percival the Extremely Holy Christian Knight; makes unwanted passes at girls at parties.

Galahad's Mom Elaine: Mean And Christian; presides over both Lancelot's Grail, which heals the sick, and Galahad's Grail, which raises the dead. Not unexpected, as even the most Revisionist Arthurianas tend to have a hard time finding a flattering take on Galahad's Mom Elaine, although I'm sure someone will attempt it someday.

Gareth: has a larger-than-cameo appearance to be kind and noble and make Dalyn feel a bit guilty about his trashy coverage of the Orkney Grail (a very Mabinogian Cauldron of Plenty). Has anyone in the history of Arthuriana ever written an unflattering Gareth? I mean, he is pretty uniformly a sweetheart, so I get it, I also would not write an unflattering Gareth, but I do wonder if we're due for the first negative take.

(Sidenote: I don't know why you would name a character Lienors Blanchemains and then not associate them with Gareth in any way whatsoever. I trust Naomi Mitchison to know what she was doing and have a reason for this but I'm still baffled!)

Sir Palomides: does not really show up in the story enough to get a personality but I was just excited to see him at all, especially since he DOES get a Grail (which is not much officially reported because Lienors and Dalyn sadly agree that their papers' backers would not be happy with coverage of a foreign knight getting a grail)

Sir Kay: appears once in the novel at a joust and is then immediately called away again to fix a backed-up drain, which is exactly as it should be.

Anyway, I am now all fired up about Arthurian meta, please tell me:

- your favorite weird work of Arthurian fiction
- your best-beloved Arthurian character
- your most important Unpopular Arthurian Opinion/Hot Take

Also if you have any good recs for interesting Arthurian scholarship, please let me know! I now desperately want to read a compare-contrast between The Once And Future King and To The Chapel Perilous focusing on Arthuriana as political allegory in postwar Britain, so ... you know .... if you've got one up your sleeve .......
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Date: 2019-03-04 03:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ambyr
I have been saying I need to read more Naomi Mitchison since I fell head over heels for Travel Light; this reaffirms those intentions.

Date: 2019-03-04 04:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ambyr
Well, I can highly recommend Travel Light, at least!

Date: 2019-03-04 05:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rymenhild
I am pretty sure you have heard all of my Arthurian opinions, and I haven't acquired more since last we discussed them. But I should read this!

Date: 2019-03-04 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sdelmonte
Favorite weird work: Camelot 3000, the DC miniseries from over 30 years ago with the Knights of the Round Table reincarnated in the year 3000, fighting aliens. At the time, it was seen as bold to have Tristan and Isolde both reincarnate as women. I suspect contemporary eyes would disagree. But otherwise it was just weird to have Arthur and Merlin (who of course live forever and don't need to reincarnate) running around a standard issue comic book future.

- Most beloved Arthurian character - Arthur. Yeah, even in the best of adaptations he tends to be a stick figure, but I like the straight arrow heroes.

Hot take: There will never be a good King Arthur film that isn't a satire (Monty Python and the Holy Grail is a great film about Arthur and more accurate than most about the era, but it's not exactly epic.)

Date: 2019-03-04 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coffeeandink
Travel Light is probably the other Mitchison most like this one in tone.

Date: 2019-03-04 06:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
My absolute favorite weird Arthurian work is Charles Williams' Taliesin Through Logres, which is (a) poetry (b) a crazy mashup of Arthuriana and Charles Williams' slightly-wacko theology (c) features Byzantium as the archetype of the Holy City and -- I am not making this up -- a headless emperor of octopuses (who is vaguely Asian, I think?? definitely written before SJ was a thing, lol) as the archetype of evil. It is WILD and I love it to pieces.

My absolute favorite Arthurian fanfic, which I will never stop reccing to everyone, is The Green Year, which is canon-divergence Gawain and Green Knight + T.H. White and OT3s all over the place and Gareth LIVES, SO THERE.

(I think the reason no one writes anything with mean!Gareth is that honestly I would close up the book right there and never come back to it, and they know there are people like me out there :P )

But I am sort of surprised at Elaine of Corbenic becoming mean, really? I guess because I've been thoroughly imprinted by T.H. White not thinking she was mean at all (but kind of pathetic). (Also I then wrote clone!AU where Elaine of Corbenic was the hero (and not pathetic as in White), so, um, there's that.)

Date: 2019-03-04 06:10 pm (UTC)
ambyr: a dark-winged man standing in a doorway over water; his reflection has white wings (watercolor by Stephanie Pui-Mun Law) (Default)
From: [personal profile] ambyr
Oh, for weird Arthuriana, there's always Cherryh's Port Eternity...

Date: 2019-03-04 06:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
The thing about Naomi Mitchison's To the Chapel Perilous is that Naomi Mitchison clearly knows her Arthuriana inside and out, and has decided to do some wonderfully weird and meta things with it, and I don't understand or agree with all of what she is doing but overall I'm extremely here for it!

Yaaaaay!

Sir Kay: appears once in the novel at a joust and is then immediately called away again to fix a backed-up drain, which is exactly as it should be.

I had forgotten this and strongly approve.

I will try to think if I've seen a non-terrible version of Elaine. I feel statistically the answer has to be yes, but I'm not coming up with anything off the top of my head.

(Did you find a print copy or an e-book? I used to have a very nice paperback, but then I lent it to someone and have never seen it since and have regretted it ever since. If it's back in print again, I wish to remedy this state of affairs.)

Date: 2019-03-04 06:33 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
is it her most famous?

I think of The Corn King and the Spring Queen (1931) as the Mitchison that even people unfamiliar with Mitchison have heard of, but I started with To the Chapel Perilous, so I don't know.

Date: 2019-03-04 06:42 pm (UTC)
ambyr: a dark-winged man standing in a doorway over water; his reflection has white wings (watercolor by Stephanie Pui-Mun Law) (Default)
From: [personal profile] ambyr
"Their names were Lancelot, Elaine, Percivale, Gawain, Modred, Lynette and Vivien, but they were not characters from legend. They were made people, clone servants designed to suit the fancy of their opulent owner, the Lady Dela Kirn. And they worked aboard the Maid, an anachronistic fantasy of a spaceship, decorated with swords, heraldic banners, old-looking beams masking the structural joints, and lamps that mimicked live flame. They lived in a kind of dream, and had no idea of their origins, their prototypes in those old, old story tapes of romance, chivalry, heroism and betrayal. Until a wandering instability, a knot in time, a ripple in the between sucked them into a spatial no-man's-land from which there seemed to be no escape. And they were left alone, with the borrowed personas of their ancient namesakes, to face a crisis those venerable spirits were never designed to master."

So . . . uh, sort of?

Date: 2019-03-04 06:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer
Er, yes. Very different.

Date: 2019-03-04 07:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coffeeandink

I think her most famous is probably The Corn King and the Spring Queen, a massive historical novel about an invented Mediterranean culture and an attempt at government reform in ancient Sparta. I love that as well, but it has a very different feel from the whimsical and deliberately anachronistic Travel Light and To the Chapel Perilous.

Travel Light is especially easy to get hold of in the US right now, compared to her other work, because Small Beer reprinted it relatively recently.

Date: 2019-03-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
but the two poles for Elaine Corbenic seem to be 'sad sack' and 'date rapist' and I don't think I've seen much attempt to push back on those

I was going to ask if it's just that bed tricks are really hard to write sympathetically, but then I've seen it done with Uther and Igraine, so never mind.

Otherwise it unfortunately seems nearly impossible to find!

Dammit!

Date: 2019-03-04 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
Travel Light is especially easy to get hold of in the US right now, compared to her other work, because Small Beer reprinted it relatively recently.

A ton of her work is being reprinted in the UK, which despite the costs I really appreciate.

Date: 2019-03-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coffeeandink

Me too!

The Corn King and the Spring Queen and The Blood of Martyrs (another big historical novel, early Christians in Rome prefiguring socialism, it works better than you'd expect) are also in print in the US, or at least in ebook.

Edited Date: 2019-03-04 08:17 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-03-04 08:19 pm (UTC)
coffeeandink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coffeeandink
It is Cherryh's closest attempt to an Andre Norton novel. It is fascinating but, um. Not good.

It does have a nonterrible Elaine, but I think it's Astolat.
Edited Date: 2019-03-04 08:21 pm (UTC)
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