skygiants: Sokka from Avatar: the Last Airbender peers through an eyeglass (*peers*)
[personal profile] skygiants
For some reason I was under the impression that Cards of Grief, which I picked up in the Open Road Media ebook sale last year, is a collection of Jane Yolen short stories. This is not the case. Cards of Grief is a rather peculiar novel that reads sort of like what would happen if you mixed an Ursula K. LeGuin-esque story about the inevitable impact of anthropological study on a complex alien culture up with a really id-ficcy 1980s fantasy book about the sexual entanglements of manipulative magical royals.

The premise is this: a bunch of human anthropologists have set up a study of Henderson’s IV, or L’Lal’lor, a planet full of conveniently humanoid aliens with a matriarchal culture focused around elaborate grieving rituals. They also have a strict caste and possibly subspecies split between royals and non-royals. The royals are (of course) tall and graceful and slim and fair and clever but have a very low birth rate; the non-royals, which the anthropologists very rudely label 'trogs' for 'troglodytes,' are short and broad and not particularly bright or creative but more fertile! (Thanks for reinforcing those particular tropes, Jane Yolen!)

Otherwise they're all basically human except that the royal princes (and maybe all men?) are only fertile for about five years before their sexy bits retreat back up into their innards. As a result, the royal princes spend most of those five years essentially as part of the Queen's harem, but before that they spend their first year on tour wandering around in the lowlands, banging as many non-royals as they can and also picking up any half-royal teenagers they happen to discover from previous princely banging tours to bring them back to the capital so they can bring their superior intellectual gifts into the service of the royals.

Due to kind of mumblety temporal science, five years on the anthropologist's ship is equal to fifty years on-planet, so the whole ten-year study of Henderson's IV covers 100 years of story time. The book is the final report on an Embarrassing Incident related to the study that Changed The Culture Forever and is composed of oral history transcripts, interviews and tape recordings, some gathered 'with permission' and some without, focused on a few key figures:

B'OREMOS, a prince who (we are told early on) later becomes Henderson IV's first-ever king
LINNI, a teenage artistic prodigy discovered by B'oremos on his banging tour who then becomes personal Griever to the Queen
THE QUEEN, beautiful, powerful, carelessly cruel, etc.
AARON SPENSER, an unfortunately handsome blue-eyed baby anthropologist (22! even in the future I find it hard to believe you can be a full-fledged anthropologist with 5 years' experience at TWENTY-TWO, when did you go to GRAD SCHOOL, Aaron Spenser??)


The problem of course is that everyone, from the Queen to B'oremos to Linni, all now want to bang Aaron Spenser. The Queen tries to order him into her harem and then, when his boss says no, tries to order the death of his boss; B'oremos tries to date-rape him and then gets called away at an inconvenient moment before he can take advantage of it; Linni ... what's the ethics on banging someone that you know was drugged into a state of advanced intoxication by someone else for the purpose of date-rape? Probably still date-rape, I think, though we're supposed to take Linni as a tragic and romantic figure because of the ways in which she was manipulated and betrayed over the course of her life by B'oremos and the Queen.

Anyway, Linni gets pregnant, because 'alien biological incompatibilities' are not really a thing Jane Yolen is interested in and this is basically a fantasy book with some science fictional trappings, and then Aaron Spenser and the kid go back up to the spaceship for five years and come back fifty years later to a Serious Impact on the culture that is really only sort of sketched out at the very end. Jane Yolen is more interested in the moment and the mythmaking of change than the concrete results of it.

Jane Yolen is also very interested in sexy manipulative bisexual alien princes, and in Aaron Spenser finding true love and happiness with Linni's successor who is basically Linni 2.0

Overall, I find myself left with a a lot that's interesting (Jane Yolen is good at culture-building and mythmaking!), a fair-bit to side-eye, and one overwhelming question: how do any of these anthropologists think that sending a bunch of mysterious aliens down on a spaceship onto a planet in a burst of ceremony aren't going to have an impact on the culture they're studying? I mean I'm no expert in anthropology but this must happen literally all the time.

Date: 2017-09-03 06:37 pm (UTC)
katherine: A line of books on a shelf, in greens and browns (books)
From: [personal profile] katherine
It is a collection of short stories, that form without really a name where one squidges a number of stories together into a book-length thing. (Or so I thought, but on actually looking in my copy found it's in fact just two pieces that were previously published.)

I'm still found of the bits of various things mixed into a thing for declaiming aloud. On the topic of squidging together.
Edited Date: 2017-09-03 08:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-04 01:53 am (UTC)
pedanther: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pedanther
"Fix-up novel" is the traditional term for a novel composed by stitching together bits that were originally published as a series of short stories.

Date: 2017-09-04 06:09 pm (UTC)
katherine: A line of books on a shelf, in greens and browns (books)
From: [personal profile] katherine
Thanks! So it does have a name.

Date: 2017-09-03 08:45 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
That's...uh, well. I'm quite fond of alien anthropology-type stories, but a story where class is turned into a biological division in an iddy way is probably not up my alley.

Date: 2017-09-03 08:53 pm (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
My favorite parts were all the details of the art and culture of grieving. I thought that was very well done. Especially the tension between sincere emotion and careful crafting. Very metaphoric of writing (or any art, I guess).

I admit, the iddy bits appealed a lot to my id too. I also like sexy manipulative bisexual alien princes (and queens!) whose skin is burning hot and who crumble to dust when they die. The quasi-scientific explanations for bits straight out of fairytales were a lot of fun.

Aaron Spenser's advisor was a great character.

Date: 2017-09-03 10:44 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
I think I read it when I was too young to understand it properly, TBH, but like [personal profile] rachelmanija, I liked the art and culture of grieving. Indeed, I have forgotten most of the rest of it but remember finding that part fascinating. (Smaller me: also a worldbuilding fiend, probably at smaller scale.)

how do any of these anthropologists think

This is not a thing that most anthropologists seem to have worried about much. :(

Date: 2017-09-05 04:40 am (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
Well, I'm glad I've retained a bit of it!

ME TOO. arrgh. :(

Date: 2017-09-03 10:53 pm (UTC)
affreca: Cat Under Blankets (Default)
From: [personal profile] affreca
I'm trying to make a list of the books that use the tall and pretty vs. short and fertile aliens trope. You mention Le Guin (and her Rocannon's World) and there's Julian May's Pliocene books. Do you know of any other science fiction books that use the trope?

The movie Wizards fits somewhere in there, not sure how yet.

Date: 2017-09-04 06:55 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I was thinking about the more broadly pervasive issue of 'taller, slimmer, fairer people are genetically superior to shorter, rounder, darker ones and destined to rule them.'

Le Guin does flip this a little in Rocannon's World and I think consciously: the tall, beautiful, humanoid Liuar come in multiple colors, of which the dark-skinned, light-haired Angyar are the ruling class over the pale-skinned, dark-haired Olgyior; the small, elflike Fiia are never ethnically described that I can remember, beyond looking like children of the Liuar; and the deep-dwelling Gdemiar, called Clayfolk by the Angyar and troglodytes by the offworld anthropologists, have the most technologically complex society on the planet despite being short and squat and pallid and generally looking like the cliché of something pulled out from under a rock. Which I didn't much notice the first time I read it, but, like the ethnicities of Earthsea, appreciate now.

Date: 2017-09-04 08:12 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Well, there are the Eloi and Morlocks in Well's The Time Machine, which are also class turned into biological divisions...

Date: 2017-09-05 04:41 am (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
+1 long-term literary effect.

Date: 2017-09-03 10:57 pm (UTC)
bookblather: A picture of Yomiko Readman looking at books with the text "bookgasm." (Default)
From: [personal profile] bookblather
.....huh.

Is it bad that I really want to read this for the worldbuilding things? I'm definitely reading the Song of Ice and Fire worldbuilding book despite having zero interest in the series.

Date: 2017-09-03 11:03 pm (UTC)
cyphomandra: Endo Kanna from Urasawa's 20th century boys reading a volume of manga (manga)
From: [personal profile] cyphomandra
I remember this one for the ideas and for the way it was told, but I had actually completely forgotten about its being a first contact story! This has also reminded me that I keep meaning to go back to Yolen's Pit Dragon trilogy; I loved and obsessively reread the first one when small, read the second maybe twice, and the third not at all...

Date: 2017-09-04 07:56 am (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Same here. There is also a fourth, which is best never read at all.

Date: 2017-09-04 06:06 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Psholtii: in a bad mood)
From: [personal profile] sovay
There is also a fourth, which is best never read at all.

Seconded.

I came around to appreciating the third one on the grounds of sheer batshit, but I hated it when I read it for the first time and it's true that it's still a completely different genre than the rest.

Date: 2017-09-04 10:37 pm (UTC)
cyphomandra: Endo Kanna from Urasawa's 20th century boys reading a volume of manga (manga)
From: [personal profile] cyphomandra
Hmm, this and other comments are making a re-read less appealing! It's odd because I can think of rather a lot of other series I ploughed on through at a similar age despite decreasing quality (paging Piers Anthony).

Date: 2017-09-04 10:41 pm (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
I still love the first book. Just not the sequels.

Date: 2017-09-05 06:00 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
At fifteen, I totally crushed on the girl on the cover of the first book, but never finished the third.

Date: 2017-09-05 06:34 pm (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Akki is very crushable.

Date: 2017-09-05 06:36 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer

Yes. Yes, she is.

Date: 2017-09-04 10:58 am (UTC)
vass: Jon Stewart reading a dictionary (books)
From: [personal profile] vass
The first one in that trilogy was a Lost Book for me. You know, when you've read a book once and can't remember enough of the details to find it again (and this was before book-finding forums on the net) but the details you do remember are so compelling you long to reread it? That. I was so glad when I caught up with it again.

Date: 2017-09-04 01:58 am (UTC)
pedanther: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pedanther
what's the ethics on banging someone that you know was drugged into a state of advanced intoxication by someone else for the purpose of date-rape?

I guess this was a rhetorical question, but I think it bears stating for the record that banging someone who you know to be in a state of advanced intoxication and incapable of giving informed consent is rape regardless of who got them intoxicated in the first place.

Date: 2017-09-04 02:53 am (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Jane Yolen is also very interested in sexy manipulative bisexual alien princes, and in Aaron Spenser finding true love and happiness with Linni's successor who is basically Linni 2.0

Despite being able to visualize the cover of the edition I own, it appears that all I remember of Cards of Grief is the idficcy bisexual alien royals and nothing about the anthropology, which is not the way this usually goes with my brain.

Date: 2017-09-04 06:29 pm (UTC)
coffeeandink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coffeeandink
See, I remember the exact opposite parts and I am also usually the other way around. I now feel a little bad about all the people I have recommended this to for the cool anthropology without any warnings about the sexual assault.

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